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IT157 said:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/articles/c4gxg0x9vqwo
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Ye was always his best shot...

Although being 'signed' is a bit of a stretch. He's essentially been allowed to train with the Jags in off season camps, with a view to having a run at the squad via pre season games.

Reality though, Jags best new player last season was a wide receiver, Brian Thomas Junior and he may well be who Jags build their entire offense around next season, but they don't utilise too many per game currently.

That said new coach new playback...
 
dirty harry said:
Ye was always his best shot...

Although being 'signed' is a bit of a stretch. He's essentially been allowed to train with the Jags in off season camps, with a view to having a run at the squad via pre season games.

Reality though, Jags best new player last season was a wide receiver, Brian Thomas Junior and he may well be who Jags build their entire offense around next season, but they don't utilise too many per game currently.

That said new coach new playback...
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Thomas Jr doesn't really matter a jot for LRZ. Teams usually carry around 6 receivers on their roster and have 2-3 on the field in most sets. Every team has a star receiver. Thomas Jr had a very good rookie season but there are other teams with receiver corps that are both deeper and have more star power.
 
big ginger 8 said:
Thomas Jr doesn't really matter a jot for LRZ. Teams usually carry around 6 receivers on their roster and have 2-3 on the field in most sets. Every team has a star receiver. Thomas Jr had a very good rookie season but there are other teams with receiver corps that are both deeper and have more star power.
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I mean it does matter, Jags have been playing with 2 added a 3rd on occasion. If their entire offence is based around Thomas that radically reduces the number of starts LRZ is open for.
With Kirk and Davis on the way out, they don't have depth, but a franchise like Jags in the position they are will definitely not use a rookie as Thomas fodder. They need solidity from Lawrence, and real options to compliment their new star.

But all this is speculation, the new coach might do whatever he wants and hardly use Lawrence and Co.
 
TommiG88 said:
Think it's something on the lines of half a million a year
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I mean at this stage he's guaranteed nothing. He's only going to have costs covered until the run up to pre season, then they will negotiate.

But the figure is likely to be around 650k to 750k dollars, plus perks. He'll be OK, no need for a food bank quite yet
 
TRF_Olyy said:
I thought practise squad was a max of about $250k?
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There is no max, but generally players sign deals from 250k to 1mill, depending on their bargaining power.
They also get incremental rises based on experience. I think the average practise player with a years experience is 400k or so.

LRZ made a great deal with chiefs I believe, 900k on a multi year deal, before they realised what they got.

From what I've heard Jags gave him a deal in the region of that, I think they were hoping to use his star power to attract at their London games.

I was told by an American friend he was sold as the next big UK sports star, and the plan was for superstardom...

I see what they were thinking, he has the looks, he's an athlete etc, but I certainly think they overestimated his standing and appeal. It certainly didn't help that a rookie in his position became the star last season.
 
mikebrownsauce1512 said:
To just be in a practice squad, that is crazy 😂
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You wouldn't believe the money in NFL, this is the reason that Americans think that the English football Premiership holds potential to grow and has been under marketed hahahaha.

The NFLs revenue is about 80% higher than the EPL I believe, it's crazy for what is essentially a global niche sport lol
 
and even then the NBA and MLB dwarf it in terms of average salaries (not sure how much of that is because the mega stars in NBA/MLB get paid a lot more or if it's spread across the board) - stupid money in American sports
 
dirty harry said:
You wouldn't believe the money in NFL, this is the reason that Americans think that the English football Premiership holds potential to grow and has been under marketed hahahaha.

The NFLs revenue is about 80% higher than the EPL I believe, it's crazy for what is essentially a global niche sport lol
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Is it that surprising? I mean, America is practically a continent by itself with a population of over 330 million people. England is tiny in comparison with a population of 50 odd million.

If you want to talk global, just the top 5 football leagues in the world make more money than the NFL so not really that close.
 
dirty harry said:
I mean it does matter, Jags have been playing with 2 added a 3rd on occasion. If their entire offence is based around Thomas that radically reduces the number of starts LRZ is open for.
With Kirk and Davis on the way out, they don't have depth, but a franchise like Jags in the position they are will definitely not use a rookie as Thomas fodder. They need solidity from Lawrence, and real options to compliment their new star.

But all this is speculation, the new coach might do whatever he wants and hardly use Lawrence and Co.
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It doesn't matter in that at this stage LRZ has yet to make a roster. It doesn't matter if it was Thomas Jr, Chase, or Jefferson as the number one option. What matters for him is what he offers in comparison to the guy who's looking for the 5th/6th wr spot. Once on the roster his options expand and you can carve out a role without being a starter.

They will obviously look to add talent through the draft and FA but their current lack of depth is worse than most rosters so it's a pretty good situation for LRZ.

There's rumours about a Lawrence trade but if he's on the roster, no coach will hardly use him.
 
TRF_Olyy said:
and even then the NBA and MLB dwarf it in terms of average salaries (not sure how much of that is because the mega stars in NBA/MLB get paid a lot more or if it's spread across the board) - stupid money in American sports
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NBA only have 12 man rosters compared to 53. Also have supermax contracts which the NFL doesn't. MLB doesn't have a salary cap. Which allows them to pay mad money for those who can last the 6ish years to get a big contract.
 
So apparently LRZs salary has been published as 840k dollars, which is about what I predicted.

As much money as he would earn for a top club in Europe, double his Glos salary.
 
No slight on him but realistically he will never make it in the NFL he is up against people who have been playing it all there lives and have a real feel and instincts for the game. Best of luck to him though, hope he proves me wrong.
 
mikebrownsauce1512 said:
No slight on him but realistically he will never make it in the NFL he is up against people who have been playing it all there lives and have a real feel and instincts for the game. Best of luck to him though, hope he proves me wrong.
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I mean your not wrong, but the IPP isn't about finding talent for the league, the league is stacked. It's about selling the NFL worldwide, similar to the reason every Premier league side has at least 1 Asian and African player...

Gotta get into those markets, sell out the Allianz Arena, Wembley, Spurs, Corinthians arena and stadio Azteca...
 
dirty harry said:
I mean your not wrong, but the IPP isn't about finding talent for the league, the league is stacked. It's about selling the NFL worldwide, similar to the reason every Premier league side has at least 1 Asian and African player...

Gotta get into those markets, sell out the Allianz Arena, Wembley, Spurs, Corinthians arena and stadio Azteca...
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Croke Park next season too. Will finally get an answer as to whether the NFL is as big as Leinster Rugby.
 
dirty harry said:
I mean your not wrong, but the IPP isn't about finding talent for the league, the league is stacked. It's about selling the NFL worldwide, similar to the reason every Premier league side has at least 1 Asian and African player...

Gotta get into those markets, sell out the Allianz Arena, Wembley, Spurs, Corinthians arena and stadio Azteca...
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I mean I literally know nothing about the NFL just look at this thread to see how LRZ is getting on. I was only going off of what he said, chasing his dream etc etc. Still cant get over the fact that you get paid so much just to be in a practice squad, could you make a career out of just getting into practice squads ?
 
mikebrownsauce1512 said:
I mean I literally know nothing about the NFL just look at this thread to see how LRZ is getting on. I was only going off of what he said, chasing his dream etc etc. Still cant get over the fact that you get paid so much just to be in a practice squad, could you make a career out of just getting into practice squads ?
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Of course 200 to 900k per year. The issue is the career doesn't last long, and you'd have to constantly move to a new city every year, and the number of veterans reduces meaning its harder to find a spot.

I'd say players who pick up practise squad spots only probably only make up to 3 years or so max, with the amount of talent that enters the league each year.

When I was at the Giants there were a number of practise squad spots used for older veteran players who were helping the franchise in other ways, mostly marketing. But that was 13 years ago
 
Little update, so apparently LRZ has been doing a lot of pre season promotional work, and collabed with his old mucka who used to play with him at Glos, but is now carving out a social media carrier (no idea who he was tbh).

LRZ is back in Cardiff, and as inevitable media is talking about a return to rugby, LRZ though is focused on NFL spot, oh and not getting injured by the small dumbells he was using today hahahaha
 
Talking about athletes (and sorry this is a bit of a proud dad moment) but my 9 year old (who's in a prem football academy) just did his first 2k park run for 4-14 year old just for a laugh as he likes to race but never done anything as his football commitments are insane, and came first putting in a time of 7min 34seconds. A guy who runs the local running club came up to me after saying that was a national level time and is fastest in county a the moment and has never seen a 9 year old with no training (or proper footwear and stuff - he even went the wrong way on the circuit at one point) run a race like that. I've always known his conditioning is insane as he's one of the est, if not the best at the academy, but didn't realise how good he was until I saw him run that 2km. He was up against 13 year old kids who are in running clubs and run for county and he smashed them. Would be scary to see what he could do with some professional coaching but can't really commit to it given his football but he loves racing now.
 
Welsh Exile said:
Talking about athletes (and sorry this is a bit of a proud dad moment) but my 9 year old (who's in a prem football academy) just did his first 2k park run for 4-14 year old just for a laugh as he likes to race but never done anything as his football commitments are insane, and came first putting in a time of 7min 34seconds. A guy who runs the local running club came up to me after saying that was a national level time and is fastest in county a the moment and has never seen a 9 year old with no training (or proper footwear and stuff - he even went the wrong way on the circuit at one point) run a race like that. I've always known his conditioning is insane as he's one of the est, if not the best at the academy, but didn't realise how good he was until I saw him run that 2km. He was up against 13 year old kids who are in running clubs and run for county and he smashed them. Would be scary to see what he could do with some professional coaching but can't really commit to it given his football but he loves racing now.
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This is a very similar pro sport story...

Usain Bolt was a footballer as a kid and his speed caught the eye and he leaned into it and well...
 
dirty harry said:
This is a very similar pro sport story...

Usain Bolt was a footballer as a kid and his speed caught the eye and he leaned into it and well...
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Sadly I doubt he’ll make it as pro as football is just ridiculous. So competitive and the quality is so high now even as young as 6.

Shame he never took to rugby. He wouldn’t even need to be that skilled to get a cap for Wales.
 

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