<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jacovw @ Oct 28 2009, 06:00 PM)
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if you say undisputed or unquestionable it means nobody can even attempt a question at it! This applies to facts... Nobody Questions weather fire is hot, ice is cold, turd stinks or gravity hurts when you're big. these are facts that cannot be denied even if you tried. Therefore you will find no sane person on earth who tries... No one ever denies anything that is unquestionable! And so, you see, that which has people for and against it, can always be disputed, and is never fact.[/b]
You didnt answer the question. If something was defined as fact (clearly and unquestionably) and it disproved the bible, would you pay attention or just ignore it? Roth has already said he'll ignore it in favour of his belief in the supernatural. I presume your the same?
Oh ..... and your point about a dispute meaning something is not fact is just wrong. People (well religions people) argued that the world was flat not too long ago while the fact remained that the world was not flat at all. It never had been. One party being wrong does not stop a fact from being a fact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ Oct 28 2009, 04:21 PM)
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If God is a Supernatural being, then why do we keep trying to define Him by nature. This is why the church has always called things "mysteries."[/b]
So regardless of what Science comes up with, your just going to ignore every fact that contradicts the bible, and teach your kids to do the same.
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Does this mean that we, religious people, hinder the work of science? ............................. We, all organisms, over time evolve, but I don't think there is much plausible evidence for the drastic changes that everyone goes on about. Those missing links are theories.[/b]
A complete contradiction there. Does religion hinder Science? You say No, but in the same breath you question whether Evolution is fact or not. Bullshit.
Do you both agree with teaching Creationism to children
as a form of Science?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Oct 28 2009, 07:28 PM)
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so both sides are putting forth guesswork............................. Here is where we can shake hands and agree that one is tomAto and another is tomAAto and neither is certainly right nor certainly wrong.[/b]
Are you for real? They are happy to state that the supernatural superceeds the factual.
Factually they have absolutely nothing to back it up yet yet when questioned about these, they throw a form of Pseudoscience out to cast doubt on a solid scientific thoery as if that is all that is required. If that doesnt work they just say its because hes supernatural and your going to hell.
For example, it was reported today that scientists have found a star so far away it has taken 13billion years for its light to reach us (Source
Irish Times). Now the laws of the universe (that god supposedly created) state that the speed of light is constant in a vacuum. The majority of the universe would appear to be a vacuum yet the answer I received was that I havent been out in the universe so it might not be a vacuum, and that scientists have discovered ways to speed up or slow down light (13 billions years vs 10,000 years! Come on!).
When asked about the great flood they conceptualise building a huge boat and they actually have a thesis on the two by twosies of animals. Again, even if its disproven they can just sat that their god is supernatural and made it all happen that way.
44% of Americans believe in Creationist views on the world. They believe it should be thought as a form of science. There is nothing factual about their beliefs. Stop conceeding to them.
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