A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

What negative effects on men come from dating sites?

Bit of background, I split with my ex wife 6 years ago and after a while went on the whole online dating thing and found it a very positive experience. I went on plenty of dates, had a couple of relationships and my partner who I live with now was someone I met on Tinder.

On the dates I did go on I found most of the women had horror stories of dick pics and one even of stalking.

As someone who went through that I'm really not getting this 78% of women thing. Most women I met just wanted to meet someone nice and normal.

This is a report Tinder conducted on user behaviour.

I have no doubt there are horror stories for everyone involved, but the apps are designed to keep people engaged and coming back.

They arent incentivised by match making, thats bad for business, theyre incentivised by growing new users and new paid users, which are overwhelmingly men.

The national library of medicine put out some studies recently about this being it.

 

[Saintjay]

Schools do seem harsher with people suspended and being taken out of class etc.

I guess it's good in one way but the 'naughty' kids get left behind and forgotten as not to upset the good kids. Which probably fits the young boys not performing stats.

Solving the problem vs removing it. This is probably more in Harry's ballpark tbh.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Im unsure if if suspension works but someone who was extremely bullied at school. And despite being straight had homophobic slurs throw my way Im glad schools are at least taking it seriously.

Yeah I can see your point. It's a tough one. I would lean much more to your side had my boy been a bit older I just thought these are 8 year olds we're talking about, most of them don't even know what being Gay means.

 

[dirty harry]

In my experience with young men now I find them a lot more thoughtful and less angry and aggressive then men of my generation at that age but I was in a hypo aggressive environment and I don't work with youngsters like Harry does so I could be wrong on that.

I super agree with this. There is an element of hyper agressive young men, sadly all from similar backgrounds, who comit most of the crimes etc, but in general teen boys have become far more thoughtful and empathetic...

There is a study, I'll see if I can find it, linking this (not feminisation, but feminine alignment) to the lonely epidemic for boys.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Schools do seem harsher with people suspended and being taken out of class etc.

I guess it's good in one way but the 'naughty' kids get left behind and forgotten as not to upset the good kids. Which probably fits the young boys not performing stats.

Solving the problem vs removing it. This is probably more in Harry's ballpark tbh.

It's probably changed from when I was at school but at that time it very much catered to the problem kids at the expense of the achievers.

One thing that always sticks in my head because, even at a young age, I knew how unjust it was. We had a table of gold stars for doing well, behaving, going above usual requirements etc. I was consistently one of the top in my class, practically spotless discipline record etc. By the end of the year I was in the bottom 5 for gold stars achieved, surpassed by kids who would get stars for what I did every week.

They gave out rewards and everything to the misbehaving kids and I got to the end of the year with no reward, minimal gold stars but the 3rd best grades in the year...

 

[dirty harry]

I agree. I also think they tend to be a bit more considerate as well, on the whole. I think back to how outright homophobic I was as a teenager and how normal that was considered to be at the time. It seems that that is less common amongst young boys now.

My boy came home from school last year (he was 8 at the time) and said that someone called him gay and the boy was suspended for the day (I actually thought that was quite harsh on the boy) but when I talked to my son and asked him if he knew what that word meant and all that other woke nonsense like "how did it make you feel" and he just said "I didn't understand dad because I'm not even with a boy"

It was the sweetest, most innocent response and it made me think that maybe some of this woke nonsense has actually worked out alright you know.

There is a real epidemic at the minute of young people who dont use language, or are unable to understand language correctly.

A referral came across my desk recently, kid was deemed racist, homophobic, and misogynistic...

It took maybe 20 mins to realise he undiagnosed, and in every documented incident was merely ignorance of the usage and not a deep seeded hate.

Example, he lived in a secure residential facility, and used the term 'Paki shop' for a corner shop he and his mum used to use. He went on to discuss how 'safe' the guy who owned it was, and he would chat to him, and he let him try his curry lunch once lol. Once explained the context of the term, and that he isnt in a mid wales poor community, and the term could be offencive, he recoiled in shock, it was just what everyone called the shop.

in another example, he had called a woman a rugmunching poombag. To this day im not 100% sure what it means, but I know with certainty he had no idea of any homophobic connotation, he was just regurgitating what hed heard online.

 

[dirty harry]

Schools do seem harsher with people suspended and being taken out of class etc.

I guess it's good in one way but the 'naughty' kids get left behind and forgotten as not to upset the good kids. Which probably fits the young boys not performing stats.

Solving the problem vs removing it. This is probably more in Harry's ballpark tbh.

It gets worse than that (I dont work in a school directly) but look at some of the 'suspensions' that occur right before exam season...

OFSTED needs to revamp how exam results effect schools, because the pressure to raise the averages are so overwhelming there are some kids who are sacrificed for the cause.

 

[dirty harry]

Yeah I can see your point. It's a tough one. I would lean much more to your side had my boy been a bit older I just thought these are 8 year olds we're talking about, most of them don't even know what being Gay means.

My 8 year old daughter got called Zesty by a kid in a soft play at centre parks with her 8 year old and 5 year old cousins...

They didnt have a clue, and ran around calling everyone zesty for days ffs...

On the flip side, theres a kid in her class in school who has to constantly 'educate' the entire class on in depth trans issues, it really does depend what they are exposed too!

 

[Saintjay]

It's probably changed from when I was at school but at that time it very much catered to the problem kids at the expense of the achievers.

One thing that always sticks in my head because, even at a young age, I knew how unjust it was. We had a table of gold stars for doing well, behaving, going above usual requirements etc. I was consistently one of the top in my class, practically spotless discipline record etc. By the end of the year I was in the bottom 5 for gold stars achieved, surpassed by kids who would get stars for what I did every week.

They gave out rewards and everything to the misbehaving kids and I got to the end of the year with no reward, minimal gold stars but the 3rd best grades in the year...

I remember the naughty kids got to do car mechanics. I'd sit learning about arable farming and types of clouds.

All the time wishing I could do car mechanics. Simply because I'd have found it useful.

 

[dirty harry]

I remember the naughty kids got to do car mechanics. I'd sit learning about arable farming and types of clouds.

All the time wishing I could do car mechanics. Simply because I'd have found it useful.

Its become more extreme now, PRUs have affiliates with places that teach Motocross, white water rapids, outdoor pursuits etc... literal dream land for 16 year olds, who are mostly sat in a classroom daydreaming lol

 

[AlRums]

Nigel Farage Slammed For Skipping Days Of Parliament To Be A 'Trump Cheerleader' In The States

"He might as well don a Stars and Stripes lycra jumpsuit."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[McTallshort]

There is an element of hyper agressive young men, sadly all from similar backgrounds, who comit most of the crimes etc,

That's always been the case. That's why you have had street gangs, footy hooligans, Hells Angels etc etc

 

[Yulia]

I was alright from 14-16 but the Army absolutely screws up your opinion and confidence when it comes to women. It's a very very toxic environment for young men and it's easy to see why divorce is so high amongst service personnel. I was on a reunion a this year and a few of us had a sit down and chat about how we were "back in the day" and all commented on how we would never want our own sons thinking and feeling like that.

Army is a toxic environment? I'd never think like that hmm...I was always thinking that if I were a man I'd join Army, and that it's generally a very good environment for a boy to become an adequate and responsible man. And it actually should help with a female attention (military bearing for example,plus in general women love military men etc)

 

[Saintjay]

You get to see lots of varied and different places. Play sport every Wednesday afternoon (best time to invaded the UK)

Meet people from interesting and varied cultures, and sometimes you get to shoot at them as well.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Army is a toxic environment? I'd never think like that hmm...I was always thinking that if I were a man I'd join Army, and that it's generally a very good environment for a boy to become an adequate and responsible man. And it actually should help with a female attention (military bearing for example,plus in general women love military men etc)

Unrelated to the toxic masculinity thing, but for me personally, I would expect Army environments to be toxic as by definition the job is to turn ordinary people into killers. Killing doesn't come naturally to humans so any army has to go through a process of breaking down the old you and rebuilding you as a lean, mean, killing machine. Oorah marine.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Unrelated to the toxic masculinity thing, but for me personally, I would expect Army environments to be toxic as by definition the job is to turn ordinary people into killers. Killing doesn't come naturally to humans so any army has to go through a process of breaking down the old you and rebuilding you as a lean, mean, killing machine. Oorah marine.

I've never been in the armed forces but the general perception is that it trains people to follow orders and give orders. Huge chunks of your life become very structured. Many seem to struggle when they get back to civilian life and realise your average civilian doesn't take kindly to being ordered around and that you are responsible for all of your own ****.

More a US thing than a UK thing but some vets give the vibe that they are superior to civvies.

My dad had to deal with an ex officer who at one point during an argument told my dad that his attitude wouldn't last 5 minutes in the army, to which my dad responded that that ex officers attitude wouldn't last 5 minutes outside it.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[McTallshort]

 

[Saintjay]

Nigel Farage Slammed For Skipping Days Of Parliament To Be A 'Trump Cheerleader' In The States

"He might as well don a Stars and Stripes lycra jumpsuit."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Wait till you see the show "Never Here" Keir puts on for the Orange one in 16 days

 

[Saintjay]

In other news

Home sec suspending asylum seekers bringing families to the UK.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper wants to 'clamp down' on international students claiming asylum - live updates

It comes as tens of thousands are told they will be removed from the UK if they overstay their study visas.

www.bbc.co.uk