England v Argentina

[Rugbyfan564]

 

[NickBD]

I mean the referee was absolutely disgraceful but that was such a poor England performance.

Maybe a few of them believing the hype after last week.

Thats quite harsh analysis. Sure it wasn't great with lots to improve but with the injures that isn't what I would call poor.

 

[LIONSxv]

England were poor second half however the ref was so poor they were constantly on the back foot due to often poor officiating.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Ref was fine imo

 

[BPM]

It wasn’t high and even it was bordering enough to be penalised it wasn’t even that late.

 

[BPM]

Ref was fine imo

I generally try to avoid commenting on officiating but I thought he was awful.

 

[Crash Hamster]

I generally try to avoid commenting on officiating but I thought he was awful.

I think at least he's consistently awful. I dread every game I watch where he's in charge.

 

[Scotty]

Ref was fine imo

biggest for me was Pepper pen that was a clear turnover pen for England. That got them their first point.

He wasn't biased but there was a few big bad calls.

 

[Rinkadink]

Ref was fine imo

I'd go so far to say England got the rub of the green with more outcomes being unfavorable to Argentina. That said, Argentina can only blame themselves for failing to execute a line out at the end when England were there for the taking.

Great watch. Called Argentina being a tougher test than the ABs earlier in the week and so it proved to be. Well played all, fine test match.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

If he pulls out and doesn't wrap, it's illegal and he gets a card. What's he supposed to do?

Here's the clip



What's he supposed to do? Not follow through after initial contact. I understand itá bit of a tight play in a fast paced game and that the post game reaction is arguably excessive. But let's not pretend there was nothing he could have done to prevent that. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know exactly what he was doing. I don't mean injuring Mallia, but knowingly arriving late and still choosing to go through with it.

 

[Wasps92]

I'd go so far to say England got the rub of the green with more outcomes being unfavorable to Argentina. That said, Argentina can only blame themselves for failing to execute a line out at the end when England were there for the taking.

Great watch. Called Argentina being a tougher test than the ABs earlier in the week and so it proved to be. Well played all, fine test match.

Be interested how you came to that conclusion. The Pepper pen was particularly egregious as was the “forward pass” which was miles backwards.

 

[BMatt]

Here's the clip



What's he supposed to do? Not follow through after initial contact. I understand itá bit of a tight play in a fast paced game and that the post game reaction is arguably excessive. But let's not pretend there was nothing he could have done to prevent that. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know exactly what he was doing. I don't mean injuring Mallia, but knowingly arriving late and still choosing to go through with it.

In that clip the clock starts at 39 seconds and Curry makes contact at 40 seconds.

 

[OllyM97]

That was such a bizarre game. The ref did seem quite harsh on England at times but that's the risk you take when you compete at the ruck. I thought the Tom Curry tackle was late but it wasn't anything more than a penalty. The reaction from the Argentina players was over the top. I don't think we were great but we deserved to win and it probably shouldn't have been so close at the end. I think Argentina made a massive mistake in going for touch with that last penalty. England were creaking defensively and the Pumas had the momentum. The line-out is a high risk play when it's obvious that the opposition are going to contest. The quick tap was the way to go, they let us off the hook big time. I think had they took the tap they would have scored and won the game - we were tired.

 

[Crash Hamster]

Here's the clip



What's he supposed to do? Not follow through after initial contact. I understand itá bit of a tight play in a fast paced game and that the post game reaction is arguably excessive. But let's not pretend there was nothing he could have done to prevent that. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know exactly what he was doing. I don't mean injuring Mallia, but knowingly arriving late and still choosing to go through with it.

LOL, no.

You do realise that's in slow motion, yes?

FLankers have been flattening the high numbers a fraction after they've kicked the ball since the invention of flankers. It's 'play on.'

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Here's the clip



What's he supposed to do? Not follow through after initial contact. I understand itá bit of a tight play in a fast paced game and that the post game reaction is arguably excessive. But let's not pretend there was nothing he could have done to prevent that. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know exactly what he was doing. I don't mean injuring Mallia, but knowingly arriving late and still choosing to go through with it.

I always think posting slow mo clips for late tackles is pretty disingenuous (not from you Cruz, I know that’s just the video you have access to, but from the people tweeting it). Needs to be judged in real time.

 

[Rinkadink]

That tackle is fine and will happen multiple times a game, will it not?

I'm genuinely not sure what the fuss is. I'd be more annoyed about the Arg disallowed try for example, was it not hit out by an English hand? Felt the whole process was rushed. Another example: Moroni side entry penalty which led to the final England try. Looked like he came from behind on the replay yet cleared out to the side, which is legal and shouldn't have been a pen?

 

[Scotty]

LOL, no.

You do realise that's in slow motion, yes?

FLankers have been flattening the high numbers a fraction after they've kicked the ball since the invention of flankers. It's 'play on.'

Tbh I thought good hit committed live, seeing it after I thought 50/50, happy for Pen but no more. Slow mo makes it looks so much worse

 

[Rinkadink]

Be interested how you came to that conclusion

Elaborated a bit more below. Arguably was forward and if we're being honest, a very low impact call even if it wasn't. Didn't say no calls went against England.

What do you make of all the offsides being missed against England, for example? Could have had yellow earlier as well, especially if those had been deservedly pinged.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I generally try to avoid commenting on officiating but I thought he was awful.

To be fair, i don't recall the last time Argentines weren't complaining en masse about the ref after a loss.

having said that, i can understand some of his mistakes. Keywoird being "some". I don't think he was out to get you nor trying to favor us. The english forward pass one for example, was a weird play. Guy is running backwards, ref is too close (so hardly any perspective). It was the wrong call, no argument there. Itoje blocking the blond guy, hmmm, 50-50 but i'm probably being biased.
Our forward pass at the end, i could understand the ref not getting it, but i cannot fathom the TMO missing that.
The posts here are overwhelming and that says something.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I always think posting slow mo clips for late tackles is pretty disingenuous