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You've taken one bitesize part of the post and ignored the point of the post. What exactly has Rhodri Jones done on the field to be called a "good young prop"? So far it's not be able to keep Phil John out the Scarlets team, and come on as the Welsh goes from average to poor in Japan. Hopefully Rob Evans puts him under pressure this season at the Scarlets.
Not at all. I apologise if it came across that way. I just can't comment on the rest of the post because I really don't see Scarlets anywhere near enough to make a judgement on his club contribution. I am interested in Welsh rugby in general and like to know how the internationals are going, but on the rare occasion I watch the Pro12, it's to see the Ospreys. So I just picked out the part that I could comment on.

But even without seeing much of him, I think you're being a little overly harsh on someone so young, especially when he's a prop. He really shouldn't be expected to become a club first-choice loosehead at 20/21 years old, much less be expected to be a strong scrummager until he's in his mid-20s. The youngest looseheads starting in the Aviva Premiership, guys like Vunipola, Marler and Harrison (if you argue that he starts), aren't exactly known for being the best scrummagers in the league. It's people like Paul James, Corbs, Ayerza, Nick Wood etc. And besides, there have been plenty of props to develop into great scrummagers really late in their careers, Wilson being a good example.
 
Plenty of young props do become first team starters at that age though, or can at least point towards bullying the older boys a few times. Plenty of young props become serious internationals at only a year older than him. No harm if he doesn't, time is on his side. I know sod all about the player in question, so can't say any more, but expectations of what young props can do should be higher than the bar you set - which means if they want to be called "Good", they genuinely have to be good.
 
Props shouldn't be discounted if they aren't first team starters and international class at 21/22, hell even at 24/25. Some props are naturally strong scrummagers, and can handle themselves at international level at a young age, some need to really work at it and wait for their strength to develop in their mid to late 20's, as well as hone their technique. Take Paul James for example, he wasn't the scrummaging force he is now early in his career. For a long time I questioned his place in the Ospreys squad, but he came good eventually. I'd say he was closet to 30 than 20 when I started to show that he could be a genuine option for Wales.

The reason why the likes of Bevington and Jones are hyped, or even Rob Evans and Samson Lee, is because we don't really produce too many top quality props. Rhodri Jones has shown a lot of potential in the loose, and a couple of seasons ago showed signs that with time he could develop as a scrummager. Injury and being messed around with on the tight has set him back. Let's re judge him after a season or so of injury free rugby.
 
Props shouldn't be discounted if they aren't first team starters and international class at 21/22, hell even at 24/25. Some props are naturally strong scrummagers, and can handle themselves at international level at a young age, some need to really work at it and wait for their strength to develop in their mid to late 20's, as well as hone their technique. Take Paul James for example, he wasn't the scrummaging force he is now early in his career. For a long time I questioned his place in the Ospreys squad, but he came good eventually. I'd say he was closet to 30 than 20 when I started to show that he could be a genuine option for Wales.

The reason why the likes of Bevington and Jones are hyped, or even Rob Evans and Samson Lee, is because we don't really produce too many top quality props. Rhodri Jones has shown a lot of potential in the loose, and a couple of seasons ago showed signs that with time he could develop as a scrummager. Injury and being messed around with on the tight has set him back. Let's re judge him after a season or so of injury free rugby.

Disagree. Whilst it's true that props peak later, it's a myth that all young props are crap young. Hence why Corbisiero, Cole, Jenkins, Adam Jones, Healy were all starting big internationals aged 22/23 and none would be behind players of the standard of Phil John aged 21 nearly 22. Neither would Paul James have been either, he was in the Wales RWC squad at 21 and was a valued Ospreys squad member and captained the side in the international period aged 23/24.

j'nuh mentioned some young English looseheads like Vunipola and Ross Harrison who are challenging hard with internationals Gill, Roberts and Dickinson for starting places at a similar age. Rhodri Jones made 2 starts in a season with Phil John as competition.

Of course not every young prop is going to be a starter aged 20, 21 or 22, but normally those are just typical young props. But to be called "a good young prop" worthy of international consideration I think a bit more needs to be done to justify the "good" part and be a bit better than your average 21 year old. Keeping Phil John out the lineup shouldn't be too hard, I expect nothing less this season if he is an international prospect.

Anyway regardless of what age props are, where's he got this reputation as a prospect from? Samson Lee has got a starting spot and can pick off the low level Pro12 sides. I've not seen Rhodri Jones do anything other than come on as the scrum went from average to poor in Japan, and get destroyed in the Amlin Cup by a French teenager. Nor have I seen him rampaging in the loose like Bevington does either.
 
Don't get me wrong duck, I do agree with you mostly. He's not done enough yet really to show he's capable of international rugby (even though he's already capped).

However you seem to be disregarding the impact his injury had on his progress last season. Whilst 10 weeks out isn't a huge injury lay-off, a dislocated shoulder which also caused other damage, is a bad injury for any prop to suffer, let alone a young 20 y/o. He's still one of only a handful of promising young Welsh looseheads, so let's not discount him completely just yet. Yes I say promising, because he did show promise at age grade and in his first season at the Scarlets, for example:

 
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Don't get me wrong duck, I do agree with you mostly. He's not done enough yet really to show he's capable of international rugby (even though he's already capped).

However you seem to be disregarding the impact his injury had on his progress last season. Whilst 10 weeks out isn't a huge injury lay-off, a dislocated shoulder which also caused other damage, is a bad injury for any prop to suffer, let alone a young 20 y/o. He's still one of only a handful of promising young Welsh looseheads, so let's not discount him completely just yet. Yes I say promising, because he did show promise at age grade and in his first season at the Scarlets, for example:

The Leicester props in those clips are Ryan Bower and Fraser Balmain, nobodies in an LV Cup kids game (that was recent not his first season), even Shaun Hopkins was involved in some of those clips. In the very same game when Leicester had a proper front row with Stankovich involved in the first half, Scarlets scrum got destroyed and went under their posts conceding a penalty try. http://youtu.be/FVHnTBW1zfs?t=35m33s

We're talking about high level here about international rugby potential, not LV Cup level, and earlier in that match where there was a higher level in the first half the Scarlets got mullered. I would expect "promising, good young props" not to be part of a pack getting pushed over their own line by Boris Stankovich.

In comparison to an equivalent young prop, Joe Marler isn't a great scrummager but by 21 he was starting for Premiership champions and far beyond the level Rhodri Jones is at. Unless there is some kind of injury crisis, Rhodri Jones should not be in Wales squads for the short or medium term future.
 
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I'm going to do a similar thing to Dull and Draggs. Everyone I list I would be happy enough with playing for Wales. So even though lou Reed reguarly gets into the squad, I don't feel he's anywhere near international quality, so I'm not going to include him, just as an example. Some of these are admittedly for development purposes, but I feel they've got promise in their own right. They're roughly ordered in terms of first-choice to last resort.

Loosehead:
Gethin Jenkins, Paul James, Ryan Bevington, Rhys Gill
Rhodri Jones is scraping the barrel, and I'd possibly accept him, but he's a long way behind these four, who are all good, international-level players in their own right. I do feel Jones might have potential (There have been games in which he's looked pretty useful), but isn't there yet.

Hooker: Richard Hibbard, Ken Owens, Matthew Rees
Emyr Phillips, Sam Parry and Scott Baldwin are all good players, and Kirby Myhill could well be soon, but I wouldn't feel all that confident if I saw them named at number two against the All Blacks. The other name I almost put in as the number four was T Rhys Thomas, who I've always rated, and could force his way back in with the Dragons next season.

Lock:
Alun Wyn Jones, Ian Evans, Luke Charteris, Andrew Coombs, Bradley Davies, James King, Ryan Jones
AWJ, Ianto and Charteris are very classy second rows, which Coombsy is a real worker and Bradley provides grunt. King and Ryan are more blindisdes in my book, but I'd be happy to see either of them slot in. Ahead of Lou Bloody Reed, anyway. I also rate Dom Day, and here he's going quite well at Bath, so he could be an option. Lloyd Peers could make a name for himself this season, and I'd also love to see Maucauly Cook come through, he looked set to be an excellent player from his u20s days, but has struggled for gametime at the Blues.

Blindside flanker: Dan Lydiate, Ryan Jones, Sam Warburton, Aaron Shingler, James King, Andrew Coombs, Andreis Pretorius
Plenty of strength in depth. Just don't let Rob McCusker anywhere near the side. If Turnbull can rediscover his best from a few seasons ago, I wouldn't mind seeing him recalled, but he was a long way off the pace last season.I agree with Dull that 6 is Pretorius' natural position, though I'm not sure he's what we need going forward, but gets in on the basis of two strong showings in Japan.

Openside flanker: Sam Warburton, Justin Tipuric, Josh Navidi, Sam Lewis
We could also slide Lydiate across in an emergency, but I like the fact we're now producing 'proper' 7s (Nick Cudd at the Dragons isn't this class, but does also fit the bill). Maybe Ellis Jenkins or Dan Thomas could be added to this list by the end of the season. I'm a big fan of both Lewis and Navidi, excellent young players who'd deserve a shot for almost any other international side, but we happen to have two of the top five 7s in the world ahead of them. Just choosing which order I put them in here killed me, just imagine having to be the coach choosing between them!

Number Eight: Toby Faletau, Ryan Jones, (Gareth Delve), Morgan Allen, Andreis Pretorius
I really rate Morgan Allen and expect him to have overtaken Joe Bearman by the end of the season and be into the squad, as he should've been in Japan. Dan Baker is also a useful youngster, but Morgan is a real handful. Delve returning would be teriffic, but it's not gonig to happen. If I see McCusker at the back of the scrum for Wales ever again I'm gonig to blow up the whole of Carmathenshire.

Scrum Half: Mike Phillips, Jonathan Evans, Lloyd Williams, Tavis Knoyle, Rhodri Williams, Tom Habberfield
We've got a lot of youngsters I've got faith in, but none have yet proved themselves. Evans looked really classy second half of the season for the Dragons, while I remain a big Tav fan. Rhodri Williams looks nippy, sharp and talented and Habberfield seems to have an all-round game that could see him take the first-choice positino for the Ospreys this season (Webb deserved his three caps at the time, but I'd be damned if he rightfully earns another). However, it's undeniable that behind Phillips, it's a bit of a pickle. Bring back Dwayne Peel.

Fly Half: Dan Biggar, Rhys Priestland, James Hook, Rhys Patchell
Plenty of youngsters here. Sam Davies is hoepfully on the cusp of adding his name to this list, while I'm still looking for Morgan to make a move and roll on. I was once a huge fan of Tovey, but he's really lost it of late, but it'd be good if he could turn it around. Biggar is our 10, a good all-round option, although a good run from Priestland could see that change. It's still a shame about Hook and I'm looking forward to Patchell coming through.

Wingers: George North, Alex Cuthbert, Eli Walker, Hanno Dirksen (As and when), Liam Williams, Harry Robinson
Dafydd Howells has promise as well, but let's give him time. I love Hanno. He just smashes into anything, a total contrast from Eli- I can't remember a player quite as elusive as him on top form, not even Shaney. Robinson went well against Japan, the stand-out performer in the second test, as Sanjay did in the autumn, so we're quite well covered if we're to lose our two Lions, who I don't really have to discuss. I think we're quite well covered here. Eli and Hanno have the potential to be really, top-end players, and Harry's a long-shot, but could make it.

Inside Centre: Jamie Roberts, Ashley Beck, Jonathan Davies, Scott Williams, Gavin henson, James Hook
Cory Allen could break through soon, too. I'd like that. I'd love Beck to get a run of games with either Davies or Roberts. A smart footballer could bring the best out of them. Like Henson. Oh how I want SuperGav to get it back together.

Outside Centre: Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Scott Williams, Owen Williams, Andrew Bishop
I rate Owen Williams highly, a very sharp attacking threat who's positioning in defence sometimes needs work, but that can be sorted, especially considering he's a good tackler. The others, I feel speak for themselves, including the ever-underrated Bishop.

Fullback: Leigh Halfpenny, Richard Fussell, Lee Byrne, Liam Williams, Tom Prydie
Halfpenny is the best fullback in the world. Simple as that. But what more has Fussell got to do? Consistant, dangerous and can even give a two-on-one, which seems an impossible skill for modern Welsh backs. I agree that we've jetessoned Byrne a bit soon, he's still very much the archetypal fullback, and we can't afford to let someone of his enduring quality slip us by. Prydie is a fullback, and I don't really want him playing wing. He's a solid tackler, a good kicker and runs good support lines, which is enough for a fifth-choice player, really. Jordan Williams and Hallam Amos could begin to come through. Oh how I've love to see Jordan excell next season.
 
Scrum Half: Mike Phillips, Jonathan Evans, Lloyd Williams, Tavis Knoyle, Rhodri Williams, Tom Habberfield
We've got a lot of youngsters I've got faith in, but none have yet proved themselves. Evans looked really classy second half of the season for the Dragons, while I remain a big Tav fan. Rhodri Williams looks nippy, sharp and talented and Habberfield seems to have an all-round game that could see him take the first-choice positino for the Ospreys this season (Webb deserved his three caps at the time, but I'd be damned if he rightfully earns another). However, it's undeniable that behind Phillips, it's a bit of a pickle. Bring back Dwayne Peel.

Phillips himself is a bit of a pickle. He is past his best, too slow and is holding the side back as he isn't smart enough to vary his game and play other ways, but can't be dropped as he's Gatland's favourite whilst he ruined the competition from Peel.
 
I agree, I've never been a big Phillips fan, but he's the only scrum half we've got of high enough quality- When Williams or Tav were thrown in for starts against Australia and Argentina respectively they both put in performances that, whilst not dreadful, were far from encouraging. Phillips is, really, out only option until someone proves themself, hopefully sooner rather than later. The moment someone does that, they deserve the shirt over the lumbering Whitland boy.

Problem is, Jonathan Evans won't realistically get an opportunity to stake a claim from the Dragons, while Tav is also a bit far out of the picture. It's all a bit of a mess, even if just looking nat the number of names it looks as though we should be in a healthy position.
 
I'll post a more comprehensive response when I have a bit more time later, but a few points for now.
-Rhodri Jones. Sure we can partially point fingers at the Turkish hype machine, but considering our (lack of) depth at tighthead, the Welsh management are to blame for his caps. The Scarlets seem intent on developing him as a loosehead, and I agree. Now, that doesn't mean he should be near the squad as one right now.
-Hooker: Best depth I can ever recall, honestly. Hibbard and Owens are pretty much fighting for the top spot, while Rees is winding down. No way Emyr should be considered, while Baldwin has a ways to go. I hope Parry gets some time for the Dragons this season, I quite like him.
-Second Row: Our top 4 (Jones, Evans, Davies, Charteris) are good, but we haven't really brought in a young second row for a while. As far as I can remember, the majority of our U20 locks are around 6'4". King and Peers are good prospects (I see the former as a flanker though), but their height might hinder them. Cook is also now playing blindside I think.
-We are fine on the flanks, but 8 is a huge issue. Maybe Hamilton will be given a shot.
-Scrum Half: Jonathan Evans was probably the most consistent performer last season, really should have been called up over Aled Davies. Phillips isn't many peoples favourite, but you cannot knock his 'big game' performances (Ireland always it seems, France WC, Lions 2009).
-Standoff: Biggar is our best, and he is still slagged off by many. He isn't just a boot, but really developing into an all-around performer. I'll go into this more later.
-Centre: What TRF wants != What Gatland wants. Beck won't displace Roberts, unless we change out style
-Wing: Dunc summed it up pretty well, Walker and Dirksen offer differing styles. Harry needs gametime for the Blues. I have been critical of Robinson's inclusion in the past, but he had a few decent performances last season (Munster away he kept Howlett bottled up)
-Fullback: Leigh, outstanding. Liam, definitely getting better. Fussell, no chance really.
 
OK, more time for a better response!

Loosehead Prop: Gethin Jenkins has had the jersey on whenever fit. His move to Toulon did him no favours last year, and poor performances in November and early Six Nations led to questions over his continued selection. By the end of the Six Nations, however, he was certainly our first choice loosehead, and an unfortunate injury prevented him from appearing in what would have been his third Lions tour. He is the wrong side of thirty, and has a very good chance of becoming the most capped Welsh international by the end of 2014. By RWC2015, he will be 34, still an acceptable age for a prop, but undoubtedly in need of a backup.

Paul James has been the go to reserve prop since 2009. Since earning his second cap, in 2009, he appeared in possibly every Welsh test until the World Cup in 2011. He is a potent loosehead scrummager, and always a viable option along with Jenkins. He is 18 months younger than Jenkins, and has gone from strength to strength, from being a cornerstone in the Ospreys Magners/Pro12 winning side to a valuable member of a promising Bath side. Undoubtedly in the 23 when fit.

Who to come into the side? Ryan Bevington must hold a record for appearances in the usual 'who do you want to see improve' preseason thread. His 'slim' figure allows explosive pace on the field, but questions over his scrummaging persist. He has yet to truly stake a claim for the Osprey loosehead jersey left by Paul James, only wearing it due to lack of other options. Rhys Gill offers more reliability in the scrum, but is marred by a higher penalty count when playing. He will continue to compete with English loosehead Mako Vunipola at the Saracens, where he is less exposed to the Welsh coaching staff than his region-based rivals. Rhodri Jones has appeared as a tighthead for Wales with little success. He must only been seen as a loosehead, and not in an international sense for a good while. He will, however, have recent U20 prop Rob Evans hot on his heels in Llanelli, meaning the Aberystwyth-born prop must stake his claim or risk being forgotten for club and country.

Tighthead Prop: Adam Jones really needs no discussion. The only issue this prop really faces his his age. Unlikely to feature much beyond 2015, he will leave probably the largest hole in the Welsh team (and team photo).

Craig Mitchell has been the go-to replacement for Adam. He was his understudy for many years while at the Ospreys, before moving to Exeter in 2011. Usually reliable, he was part of a Welsh pack shifted with ease by Japan in June. He was recently given a suspended sentence for assault while in Australia, making 2013 a summer to forget for the prop. Ignoring the Japanese fixture as an anomaly, he is still likely the bench replacement for Adam Jones, and the most likely to stand in should something happen to the darker hair bair brother. Scott Andrews has been involved in most Welsh squads since initial selection in Autumn 2010, but his caps have been few and forgettable. A member of a poor Blues pack, he has has his work cut out from day one. Recently he has shown some improvement while on Wales duty. He will be joined up front in the capital by Gethin Jenkins and Matthew Rees, who could give Scott some much-needed support.

Much has been made of Samson Lee since the 2012 U20 championship, but it would be unfair to truly consider him for Wales while he is an infrequent starter for his club. He will continue to compete with South African Jacobie Adriaanse at Parc y Scarlets. Aaron Jarvis earned a few caps for Wales in November 2012 before suffering an injury ruling him out until the 2013/14 season. He has been an reliable replacement for Adam Jones for the Ospreys, and likely to further feature for Wales. A solid performance against Argentina was followed by a shambles of a display by the entire pack against Samoa. Unfair to drop based on that display.

Hooker: Lion Richard Hibbard is likely to wear the 2 shirt in the Autumn, unless things change. A 'rebirth' for the Ospreys has led to a resurrection of a stalled Welsh career. While not young, Wales can except him to remain playing up to and probably after 2015. I'll go out and say that lineouts are not his strong point, but he is the best available. Besides, if we were to judge Welsh hookers on throwing-in, we would play with 7 in the pack... Ken Owens was probably a hair away from Lions selection. The best candidate to replace Dylan Hartley was injured before the party left for Australia. A leading role in the Scarlets pack, with predecessor Rees moving east, has given Owens a chance to have a clear run. He will push Richard all the way for Wales, a welcome bit of competition for what was once a problem position.

Matthew Rees is in the twilight of a distinguished career; a powerful role in two Grand Slams, with a Lions tour between the two. He could very likely fill in when needed, but it will be between his former understudy Owens, and Richard Hibbard to fight for the starting role. Emyr Phillips, the third Scarlet hooker, had what was frankly a terrible tour to Japan. I really can't see him getting any further caps unless he has a Hibbard-esque revival. Scott Baldwin, much like Ken Owens to Matthew Rees, has served under Richard Hibbard for the Ospreys for three seasons. A unusually tall hooker, standing 6'3", his appearances for the Ospreys have varied greatly. Mistake-strewn performances are mixed with promising cameos off the bench, showing that he has a ways to go before becoming a truly reliable replacement for his club, let alone squadmember for his country.

Sam Parry
was in the mix for the Japan tour, but ultimately failed to travel. The retirement of Lloyd Burns and Steve Jones mean that Rodney Parade is in need for a first choice hooker. The young forward, who joined the Dragons from the Scarlets academy must compete with former prop Hugh Gustafson and former Wales international and recent signing T Rhys Thomas. I see Parry as the long-term solution for the Dragons, and ultimately a Welsh international. I really can't comment on the Blues hookers, as they rotate far too much to really gain anything. Rhys Williams was notable U20 player a few years back, but seen little time for the Blues, being behind aforementioned Thomas and retired Gareth Williams in the past, as well as new Blues staffmember Andy Kyriacou, Melbourne Rebel Ryan Tyrrell, and fellow rotated forward Kristian Dacey.

My hands are tired, we will talk second and back row later.
Here is Adam Jones with another funny face, give me rep, as if you needed another incentive to.
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Second Row: Alun Wyn Jones, for many years, has been tipped as the next so-and-so, but ultimately failed to live up to his (over)hype. Until now, I say. He has always been a reliable second row, but we all wanted him to reach that top level. His performances for the Lions were the best I have ever seen a Welsh second row play. Absolutely dominant, and took the leadership role with both hands. Starts when fit, and I'd consider him as one of our leaders. Ian Evans was another who we all had high hopes for, but frankly awful injuries set him back as he looked to establish himself post 2008 Grand Slam. He spent three years in a state between injured and appearing for the Ospreys performing at a dubious level. When called up to fill in for injured Alun Wyn Jones and Luke Charteris in 2012, he came in all guns blazing. He has been a shoo-in for the second row, and can feel hard done by to not get a Lions cap. When fit, he should start alongside regional partner Jones.

Bradley Davies was our next young second row, once Ian Evans entered his injury stage. He really made a name for himself in 2010, ousting Ian Gough and Deiniol Jones. Ever since his ban in the 2012 Six Nations, however, he has failed to recapture that form. Named captain for the Japan tour, Davies (although no where near the worst in the pack) did not look convincing enough to push Jones and Evans yet. He must step it up for the Blues in the week before the Autumn series is he hopes to reclaim a starring role for Wales.

Luke Charteris, dismissed by many as a tall lad and having no other attributes, proved many wrong in RWC2011. His workrate set him apart, looking in many respects, a new player. Injuries and a move to France have sent the former Dragons captain into the wilderness. Perhaps a move back to Wales could do him some good. When fit, however, he still delivers for Wales, quickly returning to the 23 during the 2012 Six Nations.

Lou Reed has been the fifth second row for quite a while, and that frightens me. I feel bad continually dismissing him, but his repeated selection is simply unmerited. He displayed no significant attributes, neither in the tight nor loose. Andrew Coombs filled in admirably for Wales during the 2013 injury crisis alongside once-capped Olly Kohn. It is evident that he is a better option in the backrow, but he is likely to continue his stint in the second row for club, and unlikely to feature on the flanks for his country. The Blues U20 trio of Macauley Cook, Cory Hill, and Matthew Screech were expected to have some success, but have all moved on in some respect. Cook has featured on the blindside for the Blues, while Screech has made a move east to the Dragons/Bedwas, and Hill leaving Wales. James Down is unlikely to reach national selection, facing regional competition from Davies, Reed, and Filo Paulo.

James King and Lloyd Peers both went through the youth system as second rows, but King has recently found success on the flanks. Peers, while a bit shorter than most second rows, has shown up well for the Ospreys when needed, and taken over from Ian Gough as the backup to Jones and Evans. He will, however, struggle to make a name for himself behind the two starting second rows. Perhaps a move to Gwent could help...

Blindside Flanker: We are lucky to have some quality players available here, namely Dan Lydiate and Ryan Jones. Lydiate has been preferred lately, offering simply unbeatable tackling. His biggest criticism is lack of carrying, but it is difficult to tell as to whether or not he is simply playing under orders. Ryan Jones offers a great amount of leadership in the pack, as well as the ability to play second row and number 8. Certainly worth keeping in the 23.

Josh Turnbull has played at blindside flank for Wales before, but honestly has done little to stand out. His regional competitor Aaron Shingler is also an option, possessing incredible pace but his leaner physique is not of much use to the current Welsh game plan. I don't even want to consider Rob McCusker.

I consider Andries Pretorius more of a blindside than 8. His form is varied, normally a reliable figure for the Cardiff Blues, but badly lacking for Wales in Japan. Lewis Evans could feel hard done by. He is at a disadvantage playing for Newport Gwent, but his regional form is almost always of a higher quality than the likes of Turnbull and McCusker.

Openside Flanker: A massive source of debate. Captain Sam Warburton boasts a grand slam and Lions win in less than two years since being named RWC2011 skipper. He offers excellent defence and physicality around the field. Justin Tipuric is a more open field player, showing his pace for the Ospreys on numerous occasions. I consider him a 'scrappier' player, not afraid of the dirty/illegal work that top opensides excel at. He is my preference for the future.

Daniel Thomas could very likely join these two soon. The Scarlet openside is more Tipuric than Warburton, but must bulk up and establish himself in Llanelli first. Ellis Jenkins, while playing 8 for U20, does seem to be more in the mold of an openside. He must compete with Josh Navidi to be understudy to Sam Warburton. I am not fully convinced by Navidi's long term international outlook. I feel that he lacks the physical side needed to fully compete.

Number 8: Toby Faletau. Great and always improving. Ryan Jones has played 8, but should only be considered on the blindside. Same goes for Pretorius and McCusker.

Dan Baker looked decent against Japan, but I feel that Ieuan Jones is the best prospect right now. The Newport Gwent backrower excelled while Toby was away. Offers a good carrying game, he will improve being around Toby. Baker must compete with former Gwent-bred 8 (they all are...) Morgan Allen. Allen's fitness seems to be his biggest detractor, sometimes looking too large for his height. Luke Hamilton should see more time at 8 for the Blues, a position many wanted for Japan-bound Gareth Delve.
 
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So, apparently Priestland had a very good game against Gloucester in the Scarlets preseason. He only played ~40 minutes, so nothing to get too excited about yet. But a Wales Online article (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...cester-31-17-scarlets-rhys-priestland-5820904) put it as:

Welsh star Rhys Priestland gave national coach Warren Gatland a real tonic at Gloucester with a sublime second-half performance after months out with injury.

Could be great news for Wales.

EDIT: I have no idea why the formatting has gone like that. But oh well. I like it.
 
Patchell reportedly had an amazing game last week and I heard good things about Biggar last night, so it's all looking good on the fly-half front.
 
So, apparently Priestland had a very good game against Gloucester in the Scarlets preseason. He only played ~40 minutes, so nothing to get too excited about yet. But a Wales Online article (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...cester-31-17-scarlets-rhys-priestland-5820904) put it as:

Welsh star Rhys Priestland gave national coach Warren Gatland a real tonic at Gloucester with a sublime second-half performance after months out with injury.

Could be great news for Wales.

EDIT: I have no idea why the formatting has gone like that. But oh well. I like it.

I want to hear that from a respectable news outlet rather than the agenda ridden Western Mail who know **** all about rugby, and especially fly half play (see their articles on James Hook).
 
Agree with Duck. A lot of the WM reports have jumped on the back of very little rugby to describe players in 'blistering form' after a 40 minute performance.

In saying that, it's good that all three 10's at the regions are having a good start. Lets hope they can carry it through next weekend. Its a hard start for the Scarlets with Leinster at home and Priestland will certainly be under pressure.
 
I want to hear that from a respectable news outlet rather than the agenda ridden Western Mail who know **** all about rugby, and especially fly half play (see their articles on James Hook).
Ok, some guy on the Scarlets forum also said he was the best man on the field. :P
 

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