Aviva Premiership Final 2015 Bath V Saracens

[goodNumber10]

Sarries won because they were better and didn't let bath in it simple

I agree, they were better in attack and defence than Bath.

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Baths pack is the weakest in the the top four they got away with against tigers but up against a better defensive unit like sarries they were found out.

 

[91jmay]

It's still on going...

I'm not sure how I feel about the salary cap in general on one hand it's suppose to keep everyone on an equal playing field but there are ways to bend the rules (American players have been known to take "pay cuts" to play in a better overall side). Also we're not on a equal playing field at the highest level (European rugby) as the French teams have no cap so something really need to be looked. Keeping the integrity of the competition by not allowing teams to buy titles but on equal measure not tying a hand behind their back at the next level.

American players taking pay cuts doesn't bend the rules at all. Confused about that point.

 

[ncurd]

American players taking pay cuts doesn't bend the rules at all. Confused about that point.

It bends them by not being within the spirit of what they are intended (creating superstar teams that are impossible to beat) if everyone got paid their market value it's likely teams would be a lot closer plus when you stuff as a star you getter sponsorship deals thus get paid more than you normally would.

 

[Tony Manx]

Pay cuts are ok if that is what they do but really?

Incidentally there is a cap in France albeit higher than the UK. What you see for French teams are overall budgets of 30 odd million euro but that is for total costs. That being said, they have more external funding money for more teams which means the game can survive with a higher pay cap for players!

Glasgow deservedly win that but am concerned for them when I hear so often he is going here and he is going there next season! Enjoy the night but there may be trouble ahead next season for Glasgow!!

 

[ratsapprentice]

or are you saying Sarries won it because the day got to bath?

Both - Sarries application of pressure, and Bath's inability to escape the pressure of the event prevented them from playing to their ability.

 

[goodNumber10]

lol, i'm actually no longer sure exactly what we're talking about here, i thought you were disagreeing with me about sarries defensive pressure.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I don't know how I can clarify it any further.

 

[Irish boy]

Should Farrell been sent off for the tackle on Watson.

 

[ZeroTwo]

Should Farrell been sent off for the tackle on Watson.

No. But I'm bias. Is there a video of it kicking around anywhere?

 

[TRF_heineken]

I can't believe this wasn't aired on Supersport today.

It would have been nice to flick through the channels for this, the Super Rugby matches and the FA Cup final.

I see that our local sports news have been making the rounds that the Bath coach was furious that Farrel didn't get sent off for an incident. Is there a video of it?

 

[Irish boy]

WI didn't see it but it must of been bad because Watson didn't come back on,

 

[chippieolamus]

From the stadium it looked to me like Farrell hit with his shoulder at a good height but his arm swung accidentally into Watson's head as he tried to wrap him. It seemed clumsy, not malicious. I didn't have the best view though, so would happily change my perspective if someone showed me a replay.

 

[smartcooky]

He is occasionally not very good at rugby.

To be fair, Strettle is mr average.
He does everything adequately while doing nothing to an international standard. Good guy to have as a backup but not good enough for a starter IMO.

OK, I must have only ever seen matches in which he played well.

Pay cuts are ok if that is what they do but really?

Incidentally there is a cap in France albeit higher than the UK. What you see for French teams are overall budgets of 30 odd million euro but that is for total costs. That being said, they have more external funding money for more teams which means the game can survive with a higher pay cap for players!

If you have no salary cap then you end up with a few superclubs who always win everything. No better illustration of this than English Premier League football. In the last 20 years, only four teams have won it; Man U (11 times), Chelsea (4 times), Arsenal (3 times) and Man C (twice). THe rest are locked in a mid-table battle for the remaining places in Europe, or a bottom of the table struggle to stave off relegation. Is this what people want for the Aviva Premiership?

Currently, your Premiership is one of the most even domestic rugby competitions in the world. Over the same time period as the EPL (and I am aware that the Premiership salary cap was only introduced in 1999), you have had nine different teams win it (and four different winners in the last five years) In a competition involving only 12 teams in any one year, I would call that an outstandingly successful application of a salary cap.

 

[goodNumber10]

here is the incident, nothing in it imho, and Mike Ford comes across a sour grapes in the whole thing.

watson is tackled, farrell goes for the shoulder tackle and watson falls as he does so.

It's high, and unfortunate, but it's a penalty (possibly a yellow) no more. They reckon he's going to be cited.

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[ratsapprentice]

watson is tackled, farrell goes for the shoulder tackle and watson falls as he does so.

I heard Kay say that at the time, but watch him... he doesn't change height at any point.

It's definitely not red, and Watson definitely didn't fall/duck into it.

 

[Tony Manx]

OK, I must have only ever seen matches in which he played well.



If you have no salary cap then you end up with a few superclubs who always win everything. No better illustration of this than English Premier League football. In the last 20 years, only four teams have won it; Man U (11 times), Chelsea (4 times), Arsenal (3 times) and Man C (twice). THe rest are locked in a mid-table battle for the remaining places in Europe, or a bottom of the table struggle to stave off relegation. Is this what people want for the Aviva Premiership?

Currently, your Premiership is one of the most even domestic rugby competitions in the world. Over the same time period as the EPL (and I am aware that the Premiership salary cap was only introduced in 1999), you have had nine different teams win it (and four different winners in the last five years) In a competition involving only 12 teams in any one year, I would call that an outstandingly successful application of a salary cap.

Agreed!

 

[goodNumber10]

I heard Kay say that at the time, but watch him... he doesn't change height at any point.

It's definitely not red, and Watson definitely didn't fall/duck into it.

yeah, i see what you're saying... i still think the low tackle is what makes it go wrong.

it's just unfortunate that's all.

 

[ratsapprentice]

It's a just a high tackle with a minor swinging arm - can't see anything definitive to suggest he meant to make contact with the head.

 

[Every Time Ref]

I thought it should have been a yellow (not red) but I've only seen it in the emotional pressure cooker of the stadium where my team are playing a final so I'm definitely not dispassionate to make a reliable judgement on it. Although Farrell made another high tackle later and 2 by the same player is a definite yellow.

Didn't hear Ford's comments, what did he say?

 

[goodNumber10]

I thought it should have been a yellow (not red) but I've only seen it in the emotional pressure cooker of the stadium where my team are playing a final so I'm definitely not dispassionate to make a reliable judgement on it. Although Farrell made another high tackle later and 2 by the same player is a definite yellow.

Didn't hear Ford's comments, what did he say?

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-uni...n-farrell-was-lucky-to-even-stay-on-the-field

he also retweeted a couple of comments about it as well.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Possibly yellow for the Watson one but, as mentioned before, Farrell went on to do another high tackle. You can't have the same player making 2 high tackles and getting away with it.

Also what on Earth happened when the Sarries scrum was completely destroyed by Bath and Barnes allowed Sarries to play on when one of their players picked it up?

 

[goodNumber10]

Possibly yellow for the Watson one but, as mentioned before, Farrell went on to do another high tackle. You can't have the same player making 2 high tackles and getting away with it.

Also what on Earth happened when the Sarries scrum was completely destroyed by Bath and Barnes allowed Sarries to play on when one of their players picked it up?

I must have missed the 2nd one, when was that?

also, guilty lol!

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[ncurd]

I think there are three moments where Bath fans could feel a tiny bit aggrieved by ref decisions (no shockers just you felt they could of been turning points).

The aforementioned scrum on the halfway just before half time. Only because 5 seconds later Sarries got a perfectly fair penalty.

The Farrell tackle in opening moments of the game it's not a Red Card but the more I see it the more I think it's a yellow. Considering how Sarries played afterwards it was a major decision especially for Barnes not to review it.

Good on Roko, sorry but he's not committed and has no idea where the ball will go. Taking out a player in that situation is a yellow card as it's cynical as hell.


I don't blame Barnes but can understand why Bath may have some grumbles Sarries went out of sight in the first half and you could happily argue they should of been down to 14 men in the opening phases.

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Also Ford is probably ****** as he lost his first choice full back and his replacement didn't help the cause much.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Also what on Earth happened when the Sarries scrum was completely destroyed by Bath and Barnes allowed Sarries to play on when one of their players picked it up?

Getting destroyed =/= committing an offence.

Was more unhappy with him penalising us for not holding our weight and then subsequently allowing Sarries to take advantage of that by leaning in and taking space before the ball went in.

 

[ncurd]

Also Farrell MOTM was a bit of a joke I felt someone like Burger had a brilliant game where Fazlet felt like he was non existent for many parts. We'll soon go the way of the Superbowl and give it to the quarterback everytime no matter if another player plays out his skin all match.

 

[Amobokoboko]

It was a good game to watch. Sarries being the better team.

 

[Deleted member 53362]

OK, I must have only ever seen matches in which he played well.



If you have no salary cap then you end up with a few superclubs who always win everything. No better illustration of this than English Premier League football. In the last 20 years, only four teams have won it; Man U (11 times), Chelsea (4 times), Arsenal (3 times) and Man C (twice). THe rest are locked in a mid-table battle for the remaining places in Europe, or a bottom of the table struggle to stave off relegation. Is this what people want for the Aviva Premiership?

Currently, your Premiership is one of the most even domestic rugby competitions in the world. Over the same time period as the EPL (and I am aware that the Premiership salary cap was only introduced in 1999), you have had nine different teams win it (and four different winners in the last five years) In a competition involving only 12 teams in any one year, I would call that an outstandingly successful application of a salary cap.

Steady on cookie that was almost a compliment!

 

[chippieolamus]

Also Farrell MOTM was a bit of a joke I felt someone like Burger had a brilliant game where Fazlet felt like he was non existent for many parts. We'll soon go the way of the Superbowl and give it to the quarterback everytime no matter if another player plays out his skin all match.

I would've gone for Jamie George, if only for outpacing Roko!

 

[ratsapprentice]

I would've gone for Jamie George, if only for outpacing Roko!

Yep... it's confirmed - all them dark skinned fellas look alike.