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the contract was 33 hours in 2012.
Obviously the enforced overtime added to their wages but the hourly rate was much lower in 2012 than it was in 2002 and the new starters even had to work along side "old" contrated staff (almost all UK born) who were on a higher hourly rate for the same targets. They also relied on tax credits to make up the numbers something bosses in the UK have taken great advantage of.
Did it help our economy in the short term? yes. Did it improve the lot of the less well off? well no. HAs it helped the developing economies of Eastern Europe almost certainly not.
Did it help our economy in the short term? yes. Did it improve the lot of the less well off? well no. HAs it helped the developing economies of Eastern Europe almost certainly not.
Anyone watch the program on BBC 2 last night? Had not realised to what extent the Lisbon treaty had bypassed the democratic votes of France and Holland. Bunch of undemocratic shylarks.
Did not have to watch to know that - the bureaucrats have been conniving and wheedling their desire for a federal state ever since the Common Market was commenced!
They have founded and then funded, with millions, charities and focus groups to "research" all matters of things. They then use the results of these projects as "independent" evidence to back their views.
When something goes wrong, they either hide it (corruption on vast scale is why their accounts cannot be signed off) or fund new elections with associated propaganda material (Eire over Lisbon)!
No one has yet said how much funding has come from the EC into the Uk to support the Remain campaign but would suggest much much more than the amount Cameron illegally used Gov funds to issue the propaganda posted last week !
Where have the inners gone?
Bored of having the same damn arguments?
Yes because talking about England's ideal centre combination isn't repetitive at all
Haha!
Ncurd is right though, once a standpoint has been taken, on one side or another, it is impossible to get people to change that! Arguments may sway some undecided but generally people have an inherent wish to be in or out of EC.......and not always based on fact, more idealism.
My idealist view of the EC as a common market serving sovereign states, envisaged I believe by most, run by honest thrifty elected gifted politicians was shattered many years ago. Unfortunately, it is still alive for many in the Remain camp who are blind to the utter desperation of Brussels, and those aspiring to positions there, to achieve Federalism and total power over Europe which a vote for them will make unstoppable!!
Pretty much this. This debate was ready to go round in circles.
The real issue of the day is Boaty McBoatface and why Jo Johnson has absolutely no soul in his body and why this is a microcosm of the wider problem with the Tories and education; in their minds, education is a punishment handed down on kids, not something that should be absorbing and fun and leave the child with a lifelong thirst for knowledge and self-betterment.
I mean according to polls 1 in 10 are undecided
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini..._Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum
However I don't believe this for one second just about everyone I'm aware of have planted their flags months ago on this and would take an almighty shift in events to make them turn. I think I'm aware of about 2 undecided people both in real life and online and I know way more than 20 people....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini..._Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum
However I don't believe this for one second just about everyone I'm aware of have planted their flags months ago on this and would take an almighty shift in events to make them turn. I think I'm aware of about 2 undecided people both in real life and online and I know way more than 20 people....
Yeah in the end I think the fear over the economy against the loss of democracy has already made people's mind up. Shame really
Democracy is fairly broken anyway we have Prime Minister who commanded 36.8% of the vote yet doesn't have o work with anyone else to govern.
I'm all for campaigning a more democratic EU (although it should be pointed out our voice will count for less if it is) but think we are better off inside.
Part of my thinking is the European superstate is an inevitability of time. We'd be pretty insignificant once that truly happens at that point I'd rather be in trying to influence how it was being brought about than sitting on side-lines clamouring for our world position once it does.
Plus as well as economically much of Europe's 'imposition' on us I actually agree with and worry how long it would last if we could easily repeal it ourselves.
Was surprised the National Farmers Union said stay though it was a group that hated Europe with a passion.
Must be joking! Farmers love the Eu. They get more subsides from the EU than anyone else, why do you think they all drive round in range Rover's?
For me who was on the fence to begin with its about democracy, the EU has proven on a number of occasions to be very undemocratic and I don't won't to be part of a central state of Europe that ignores the will of its citizens. The trick they pulled with the Lisbon treaty was from the Soviet school of democracy not the western one.
And if it's all about the economy then let's be done with parliament and put a load of bankers and businessmen in power because that's almost what we have in the EU anyway.
For me who was on the fence to begin with its about democracy, the EU has proven on a number of occasions to be very undemocratic and I don't won't to be part of a central state of Europe that ignores the will of its citizens. The trick they pulled with the Lisbon treaty was from the Soviet school of democracy not the western one.
And if it's all about the economy then let's be done with parliament and put a load of bankers and businessmen in power because that's almost what we have in the EU anyway.
I'm about 95% sure.
I am totally fine with the EU having certain political powers over the UK. The EU is elected, and under PR too, making it even more democratic than the UK. That people don't turn up for the European elections is their prerogative. Just don't whine about it when it affects us.
People being upset about the cost of the EU is absolutely absurd. 18bn. 5bn direct rebate. 4.5bn back in grants/EU spending on UK. 1bn in overseas aid which the government is already committed to anyway. Total (approx) cost: 7.5bn, or 1% of total expenditure.
The only thing that gives me a little cause for alarm is the imposed austerity on Greece, which demostrates the current economic thinking of the EU as a collective.
More democratic? The president is elected then? Ireland voted twice to leave and we're told to vote again until they got the answer right and I have already mentioned the Lisbon treaty.
Your right about Greece you should also be worried about Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland not to mention the next sovereign state it's decides to plow money into.
Your right about Greece you should also be worried about Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland not to mention the next sovereign state it's decides to plow money into.
Do we vote for our own Prime Minister? I certainly didn't.
When did they vote to leave? They voted down the Lisbon/Nice treaties, and then voted for them after re-negotiation of the terms. It's no different to amending bills in the normal democratic procedure.
The majority did I guess.
As noted above 36.7% of 66.1% of population that bothered to vote did. Hardly a majority other than he got more votes than the other guys. Even then that's electing a party MP's not who prime minister that's determine by the conservative party MP's then member when they whittle it down to two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2005
However they can oust him any time they really like and we get someone else and the general public have no say on it. Much like when Gordon Brown became Prime Minister.
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