What really didn't help the remain campaign was the Labour leadership committing to a very feeble campaign in support of the government but then Corbyn has always been a Euro sceptic
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What really didn't help the remain campaign was the Labour leadership committing to a very feeble campaign in support of the government but then Corbyn has always been a Euro sceptic
I agree we will stay in the UK
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Blatant lie.
The loophole is that parliament is sovreign and a referendum is just advisory.
However any government not invoking article 50 will kill themselves politically now. The only options are a second referendum when things are more clearer on how post Brexit world look like. The other is general election on a staying in the EU platform (more likely to work as other issues may dilute the anti EU vote).
Anything else simply won't work. Like I said earlier a lot of people are calling the Liberal Democrats undemocratic for simply saying they'll campaign from now on to bring us back in(they'll do nothing with 8 MPs), thinking the referendum can't be made null and void.
Now imagine the Tories or Labor trying that.
I think trying to get out of it bloody hard but doable but a lot of people are going to be ****** even with clear democratic mandate to remain now.
Personally i can see a 2nd referendum coming, "With a couple of Token changes" whilst Junker sounds pretty intent now to have the UK leave, he doesn't really have much sway behind the scenes.
Just IMO.
My main problem with Leave is the leaders of it, none of them are actual leaders, none of them to me strike out as prepared people (And are proving it IMO), BoJO IMO never expected us to leave he was just undermining Cameron and his favourites for the time a new Conservative leader was ready, Farage isn't really a politician he is a protester. None have stepped forward to announce what we should be doing all seemed shocked it has happened TBH.
Corbyn and his cabinet are done, Lib Dems are no ones, SNP have Scottish independence in their sights and IMO have used this referendum tactically to do so.
End of the day this country IMO isn't ready for it from a political front.
I do think this country would be better served outside the EU personally for a few reasons but i don't see any leaders ATM that could bring the benefits.
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As much as I hate the result we got, having a 2nd referendum is stupid. The choice was given to the people, and the people voted to leave. End of. It's not a democracy if you keep on holding referendums until you get the result you want.
I agree but unfortunately plenty of referendums have been redone.
some have been redone 3 times. (Cough looking at you Ireland cough).
People still buy it. Sickening.
Everyone is calling for unity after this referendum, and I definitely agree. The pace at which politics is changing is frightening tbh.
But the nation (and the world) is becoming increasingly polarised between the far left and the far right. Neither position can unify the country. If we are to unite, we need to move back to fighting over the centre ground.
So I hope the next election is between e.g. Nandy and May - both respectable moderates on their respective sides of the political spectrum. Perhaps then we can take all of the vitriol out of politics.
But the nation (and the world) is becoming increasingly polarised between the far left and the far right. Neither position can unify the country. If we are to unite, we need to move back to fighting over the centre ground.
So I hope the next election is between e.g. Nandy and May - both respectable moderates on their respective sides of the political spectrum. Perhaps then we can take all of the vitriol out of politics.
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On that, we can agree.
The extremists should be there to agitate progress - not actually be in charge of anything.
The extremists should be there to agitate progress - not actually be in charge of anything.
Why would you need a visa to visit countries in Europe?
Did not have them before we were dragged into the EU under false pretences......merely passports which we still need to show!
Did not have them before we were dragged into the EU under false pretences......merely passports which we still need to show!
Yeah well that will happen because for the last 15 years you have seen everyone fighting for the middle ground and now you have the rise of UKIP, a real Marxist at the head of the Labour party and an increase in nationalism. These things do go full circle, in the 80s you had a very union biased Labour party, a Tory party that wanted to privatise everything and groups such as the National front and socialist worker regularly protesting on the streets.
And when a party does compromise some of their beliefs and form a coalition government for the good of thr country they get utterly dessimated at the following election.
If anything is true about Lib Dems at the last two elections is people aren't adult enough to let their politicians behave like adults.
If anything is true about Lib Dems at the last two elections is people aren't adult enough to let their politicians behave like adults.
Whether that happens or not as it stands you would not have the right of free movement when Briatin leaves the E.U. You do not have the right to live in a European country unless you have a passport there, you do not have the right to work.
Surely most of this will be hashed out, but as it stands that's how it is. No one has any idea how this will go and to assume anything is very dangerous.
Also for the record Norway is outside the EU and had something like three times the amount of non EU migrants per head coming into their country last year. I know Britain is an island, but I really wouldn't anticipate any huge change in the figure.
We were taking visas in relation to travel....
Immigration MUST continue into the IK as most other euro countries and most Leave supporters would, I am positive, agree and want this too!
It is a question of what type of immigration and that is skills based not race!
Tony have you not seen all the Leave politicians since the vote saying we'll have to accept free migration outside the EU? You've been had mate.
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