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To be fair, he was the defense coach and this is exactly the same thing in terms of defense that you see of that Stormers side I.e. great defense and super tight games but unable to chase a game or score a lot of points against strong teams if required.The more I see of our team under Nienaber the more I'm thinking Stormers ~2010 (not sure about my timing) was Nienaber and not as much Alasdair Coetzee especially if I think back on the Bokke under AC. I'm not sure I like it.
Yes, it was Fleck. Now with the Bokke its Stick. Does not seem like either have much pull.To be fair, he was the defense coach and this is exactly the same thing in terms of defense that you see of that Stormers side I.e. great defense and super tight games but unable to chase a game or score a lot of points against strong teams if required.
Wasn't it Fleck as the attacking or backline coach back then? Feel like it more falls onto him and AC at the Stormers than Nienaber. There is a potential point of interest in that Nienaber has never been a head coach prior to the Springboks and maybe doesn't have as much focus/experience on the attacking front.
Well they've won 50 per cent of the games using their 50 50 kickingWhen something does not work for you ... you just continue to do it XD
Yeah, if someone continues to do something that doesn't work that well for them consistently it's pretty senseless stuff - feel really sorry for the Boks wingers, the only time they tend to get the ball on attack is if they're lucky enough to win it in the air through a 50/50 up & under... people pay good money whether going to Tests or watching the games on tv, so could you imagine if all teams only used that same pedantic tactic on attack, basically just hoping the other side drops the ball ? if that was the case I wouldn't bother watching the game anymore.When something does not work for you ... you just continue to do it XD
i guess that the thing, the Bokke believe in the idea what this game plan got them within two point of the AB's....and ignore the idea that that game plan literally lost them the game, were in front and had the ball...and bombed it...2 or 3 times, didn;t even ban it into a corner or something, it madYeah, if someone continues to do something that doesn't work that well for them consistently it's pretty senseless stuff - feel really sorry for the Boks wingers, the only time they tend to get the ball on attack is if they're lucky enough to win it in the air through a 50/50 up & under... people pay good money whether going to Tests or watching the games on tv, so could you imagine if all teams only used that same pedantic tactic on attack, basically just hoping the other side drops the ball ? if that was the case I wouldn't bother watching the game anymore.
dont buy that, the Argentinians didn't pay for a year but turned up, played some great rugby and rolled over the AB's last year, SA has used similar tactics on and off for yearsThe whole thread lacks any context. The Boks were forced to play extremely narrow due to not playing rugby last year.
You're not going to see any meaningful change till next summer. The entire cycle of incorporating new players and tactics is an entire year behind every other nation.
You don't buy it? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Argentina had an inspired one-off versus the ABs and then fell off immediately the next week. Then they played zero domestic rugby and look where they are at.dont buy that, the Argentinians didn't pay for a year but turned up, played some great rugby and rolled over the AB's last year, SA has used similar tactics on and off for years
rubbish, SA played the currie cup this year and a lions tour before the RC so had plenty of time to build a different style, its a choice to play like this, they're not forced to do anythingYou don't buy it? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Argentina had an inspired one-off versus the ABs and then fell off immediately the next week. Then they played zero domestic rugby and look where they are at.
You have to play to develop good attacking rugby. That's been proven for years.
So they should have unveiled a new style when playing an opponent that they face every 12 years? Logically, wouldn't you take more risks when the downside is lower rather than higher? I don't follow your reasoning. And how does the Currie cup help the Boks when only one backline player is involved. How does Faf, Pollard, Cheslin, Mapimpi, DDA and Willie benefit from the Currie Cup?rubbish, SA played the currie cup this year and a lions tour before the RC so had plenty of time to build a different style, its a choice to play like this, they're not forced to do anything
but did they NH rugby? i believe so...so you have lots of players that have payed some for of domestic rugby...like a normal season...then they have gone into camps for the RC....like a normal season....so how exactly have they been stopped from developing their game and forced into playing this current styleSo they should have unveiled a new style when playing an opponent that they face every 12 years? Logically, wouldn't you take more risks when the downside is lower rather than higher? I don't follow your reasoning. And how does the Currie cup help the Boks when only one backline player is involved. How does Faf, Pollard, Cheslin, Mapimpi, DDA and Willie benefit from the Currie Cup?
Just read Jac's answer from his recent press conference. If you think COVID had no impact on development, then ok. He says differently. And if you don't believe him, ask American coaches. They can give you a first-hand account.but did they NH rugby? i believe so...so you have lots of players that have payed some for of domestic rugby...like a normal season...then they have gone into camps for the RC....like a normal season....so how exactly have they been stopped from developing their game and forced into playing this current style
The fact you said they would be debuting a "new style" shows it was the old style, the one they played before covid...so im not sure why you think theyre being forced to play a certain way now, the bokkes themselves are unashamed about the style they play, they say themselves they play a style they think will win...i might find other styles more enjoyable to watch but i can respect them for owning how they play
Disagree... it's the mindset of this current coaching staff wanting them to play such a restricted type of attacking game.The whole thread lacks any context. The Boks were forced to play extremely narrow due to not playing rugby last year.
You're not going to see any meaningful change till next summer. The entire cycle of incorporating new players and tactics is an entire year behind every other nation.
of course COVID effect lots of stuff...but saying the bokkes are only playing this style, a style that has been played by lots of bokke teams for decades, because of COVID....when they have actually have a pretty normal season...just seems ill thought outJust read Jac's answer from his recent press conference. If you think COVID had no impact on development, then ok. He says differently. And if you don't believe him, ask American coaches. They can give you a first-hand account.