5 things you've learnt from this year's 6 nations

[iINDOMINUSxx]

To be fair, i think he's pretty overrated.
He's good, but not as good as people make out.
I'd have Brown, Williams, Spedding and probably Halfpenny over him.

I would only have Halfpenny and maybe Brown over Hogg but Williams and Spedding i disagree.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

OP I agree with most of what you said but NZ underestimating norther hemisphere sides WTF!? For starters I dont see how anybody from NZ has been underestimating any side. Up until this years six nations everybody other than Ireland was crap and thats an indisputable fact.


Just because you've had a couple of weekends of good rugby the sides from the north are now world beaters... I guess iv heard it all now.

The key nothern sides are clearly building well for the WC that is all.

You don't see the irony in what you said do you? We don't underestimate the NH, we just think they are crap.

 

[Bluemoon]

To be fair, i think he's pretty overrated.
He's good, but not as good as people make out.
I'd have Brown, Williams, Spedding and probably Halfpenny over him.

Agree with this.

Hogg reminds me of a really decent sevens player. Excellent in open play, has an eye for a gap and is very quick. For me, his defensive positioning isn't always perfect and he can play a little too close to the line at times.

I feel Kearney, 1/2p and Mike Brown have the ability to consistently win the ball in the air, the ability to hit the line at the right times and the defensive organisation and communication that's required of a 15. Hogg would not have started ahead of any of the 15's in the three top teams in the 6N this weekend.

If you add the SH talent to that list, then there are at least 6 players ahead of him in world rugby. Why did I say he was overrated? I think he is a international class player in what is currently a poor Scotland team, and he is often overrated because of that.

 

[Shaggy]

You don't see the irony in what you said do you? We don't underestimate the NH, we just think they are crap.

Who's "we" ... It's one person's option

Personally, (and this isn't directed at you RR), I try to judge any comments made, as an individuals comments, and not as that person speaking for a whole nation. If I'd have used other sites to judge "typical" posters from any particular nation, I probably wouldn't be here, because a lot of them post on raw emotion, unbridled tribal allegiance, or are just trolling.

To the matter at hand, I don't think anyone from the SH should under estimate any of the six nations side (the players and coaches, ie, the people that matter, don't), as the RWC is being played in the six nations back yard, and the results have proven that most matches between all of the heavy weight contenders are closely fought, and the result could go either way.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Who's "we" ... It's one person's option

Personally, (and this isn't directed at you RR), I try to judge any comments made, as an individuals comments, and not as that person speaking for a whole nation. If I'd have used other sites to judge "typical" posters from any particular nation, I probably wouldn't be here, because a lot of them post on raw emotion, unbridled tribal allegiance, or are just trolling.

To the matter at hand, I don't think anyone from the SH should under estimate any of the six nations side (the players and coaches, ie, the people that matter, don't), as the RWC is being played in the six nations back yard, and the results have proven that most matches between all of the heavy weight contenders are closely fought, and the result could go either way.

The bit from "we" onwards should have been in quotation marks. I didn't speak for everyone but he did.

 

[yaboyjj]

1. the Williams bro's add the magic back int the Welsh backline, and should be starting (1/2p to wing)
2. given a run of games, Wales will be a force (watch out in the WC)
3. Ireland look like a different team with O'brien on form (but I'd be worried about Sexton in the WC- once a flake...)
4. Joseph has been a revelation (the complete package OC imo, covered for the wingers numerous times in d)
5. Another false dawn for Scotland suggests it's not just the coach

 

[ratsapprentice]

5. Another false dawn for Scotland suggests it's not just the coach

Of course not, but the false dawns will keep happening as long as people expect them to go from zeroes to heroes overnight.

 

[McTallshort]

Sound like a sore loser here blaming it on Hogg when you must know that Heaslip actually knocked it out his hands. So Hogg was unlucky and Heaslip made a really vital tackle.

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want to explain how he's overrated ?.

Well as you come to mention it I am sore! but it still doesnt excuse a supposed top level full back failing to finish off a straight forward try. He is a good player but only because he plays for Scotland I doubt he would get in the Eng/Wal/Ire match day sides

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Well as you come to mention it I am sore! but it still doesnt excuse a supposed top level full back failing to finish off a straight forward try. He is a good player but on because he plays for Scotland I doubt he would get in the Eng/Wal/Ire match day sides

Jonny May failed to score a try in exactly the same circumstances.

 

[McTallshort]

You don't see the irony in what you said do you? We don't underestimate the NH, we just think they are crap.

Well give how badly we all play against NZ why would they not be intitled to the opinion we are crap. It reminds me of Stuart Hogg the other week gobbing off that England dont respect Scotland, well who would given how crap they have played lately.

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Jonny May failed to score a try in exactly the same circumstances.

and has been dropped correct?

 

[Shaggy]

The bit from "we" onwards should have been in quotation marks. I didn't speak for everyone but he did.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but reviewing the post that you responded to, didn't provide any indication that he was speaking for anyone but himself. You used "we", implying that he, at the very least, was speaking for more than just himself, and at worst, all SH posters or fans. I could have included all of your quote, but I don't in all honesty think that it changes anything, ie, who is the we that you refer to in your quote.

 

[smartcooky]

One thing we can all learn from the last round of this year's Six Nations is that, when the teams are forced by circumstances to play open, exciting rugby, they actually can.

 

[Jcb411]

5 things i've learnt about rugby from this years 6 nations

1. northern hemisphere teams are holding back from fear of losing causing them to lose.

2. england are a far scarier prospect for the world cup than many give them credit for, they have a staggering strength in depth of their player pool

3. i like bud light, found that out while watching rugby

4. rugby is meant to be played with ball in hand not by kicking

5. wales ARE the fittest team in the northern hemisphere

 

[McTallshort]

5 things i've learnt about rugby from this years 6 nations

1. northern hemisphere teams are holding back from fear of losing causing them to lose.

2. england are a far scarier prospect for the world cup than many give them credit for, they have a staggering strength in depth of their player pool

3. i like bud light, found that out while watching rugby

4. rugby is meant to be played with ball in hand not by kicking

5. wales ARE the fittest team in the northern hemisphere

oh dear, there is a cure for it you know?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but reviewing the post that you responded to, didn't provide any indication that he was speaking for anyone but himself. You used "we", implying that he, at the very least, was speaking for more than just himself, and at worst, all SH posters or fans. I could have included all of your quote, but I don't in all honesty think that it changes anything, ie, who is the we that you refer to in your quote.

He talks about nobody from New Zealand underestimate teams and in the very next sentence goes on to say all but Ireland are crap. Since his last comment about the opinion of teams was talking about the view held by NZ fans as a whole, I believed that the next sentence was still referring to what NZ fans as a whole thought. Either way it's being pedantic, he said NZ fans don't underestimate the NH and then goes on to call them crap, which contradicts what he just said.

Well give how badly we all play against NZ why would they not be intitled to the opinion we are crap. It reminds me of Stuart Hogg the other week gobbing off that England dont respect Scotland, well who would given how crap they have played lately.

and has been dropped correct?

I don't mind him saying he thinks NH sides are crap, it's that he says NZ fans don't underestimate the NH and then contradicts himself in the very next sentence by underestimating us. Yes we haven't won but Ireland almost beat them, losing only because NZ were allowed to retake a kick at the very end. England got within 1 score of NZ twice, at the time the closest any team had managed to get to NZ all year. The top 3 NH sides have all beaten SH sides except NZ in the last year.

Yep May was dropped but not for that. He was retained until this year.

 

[corny]

Doesn't really matter what the supporters think, NZ (the team) don't make a habit of gifting games to teams due to complacency.

What i learned:

1. With the importance of video analysis these days I'm convinced teams were holding back during the 6N's, Ireland and France especially. They gave us a glimpse in the final round of games but i suspect far more is being held in reserve (set piece attack for eg)

2. The Scots are actually making progress in terms of general play but losing is a hard habit to break

3. The work rate of certain players is becoming unbelievable. Hope everything is as it seems.

4. Coaching is everything in the game. Ireland (2010-2015) is proof. 2009 doesn't count btw Kidney wasn't in the job long enough to significantly alter established structures. EOS's team won the GS 2009.

5. England, Ireland and Wales won't be beaten easily in the WC.

 

[bw245]

Doesn't really matter what the supporters think, NZ (the team) don't make a habit of gifting games to teams due to complacency.

What i learned:

1. With the importance of video analysis these days I'm convinced teams were holding back during the 6N's, Ireland and France especially. They gave us a glimpse in the final round of games but i suspect far more is being held in reserve (set piece attack for eg)

2. The Scots are actually making progress in terms of general play but losing is a hard habit to break

3. The work rate of certain players is becoming unbelievable. Hope everything is as it seems.

4. Coaching is everything in the game. Ireland (2010-2015) is proof. 2009 doesn't count btw Kidney wasn't in the job long enough to significantly alter established structures. EOS's team won the GS 2009.

5. England, Ireland and Wales won't be beaten easily in the WC.

It drives me mad when people hail Kidney as the coach who got us the 6 nations. He did shag all after that. Really disliked him.

 

[Feicarsinn]

One thing we can all learn from the last round of this year's Six Nations is that, when the teams are forced by circumstances to play open, exciting rugby, they actually can.

When they're playing the three worst sides in the tournament who have nothing left to play for. Not comparing like with like I'm afraid.

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It drives me mad when people hail Kidney as the coach who got us the 6 nations. He did shag all after that. Really disliked him.

Ah bugger off. People act like Kidney contributed nothing to Irish rugby, sort of writing off the two Heineken Cups and our second grand slam of all time. We also went undefeated that season and were looking a real force.

Of course he had his flaws, and fatal ones in the end. e failed to integrate new players into the side in a gradual manner and suffered from a severe case of favoritism. Most importantly, he was unable to adapt his game plan once Munster rugby had been figured out and wasn't able to change to a style of play that more suited the talent at his disposal. To dismiss his contribution a very successful period in Irish rugby is dense, ignorant and insulting.

 

[bw245]

When they're playing the three worst sides in the tournament who have nothing left to play for. Not comparing like with like I'm afraid.

disagree. ireland didn't play like that against france week 2, nor did wales against scotland week 2...

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When they're playing the three worst sides in the tournament who have nothing left to play for. Not comparing like with like I'm afraid.

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Ah bugger off. People act like Kidney contributed nothing to Irish rugby, sort of writing off the two Heineken Cups and our second grand slam of all time. We also went undefeated that season and were looking a real force.

Of course he had his flaws, and fatal ones in the end. e failed to integrate new players into the side in a gradual manner and suffered from a severe case of favoritism. Most importantly, he was unable to adapt his game plan once Munster rugby had been figured out and wasn't able to change to a style of play that more suited the talent at his disposal. To dismiss his contribution a very successful period in Irish rugby is dense, ignorant and insulting.

ignorant and insulting? Lol. I'm looking at what he contributed to Ireland, which, besides a grandslam wasn't much. He was hailed after 2009, but after that it was just disappointment after disappointment. You could see that the players weren't driven by him, and it was demoralising to watch. Ireland were in a bad place for the most part of his reign, and while yes, he did some good at Munster, he didn't do as well with Ireland. Maybe I was just a big Eddie O'Sullivan fan, and we're all allowed our own opinions. Don't think I'm being ignorant, dense or insulting...

 

[Feicarsinn]

disagree. ireland didn't play like that against france week 2, nor did wales against scotland week 2...

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ignorant and insulting? Lol. I'm looking at what he contributed to Ireland, which, besides a grandslam, wasn't much. You could see that the players weren't driven by him, and it was demoralising to watch. Ireland were in a bad place for the most part of his reign, and while yes, he did some good at Munster, he didn't do as well with Ireland. Maybe I was just a big Eddie O'Sullivan fan, we're all allowed our own opinions. Don't think I'm being ignorant, dense or insulting...

Yeah, besides our greatest ever achievement. All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?