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No. This had nothing to do with whether Corbyn shouted or not (which according to the Guardian, he did, for what's it worth), it's about whether he used the fact that a senior government minister that some people could actually name had publicly came out and called the government's policies a pile of balls or not.

He didn't. He didn't even mention IDS once.

You don't have to be rude to make someone squirm. But you do generally have to mention the reason the other person might squirm. Asking pointed questions and making people squirm is the point of politics. Corbyn didn't.
I mean, he has:

Mr Corbyn said: "The resignation of Iain Duncan Smith reveals a Government in disarray and a Chancellor who has lost the credibility to manage the economy in the interests of the majority of our people.

"The Budget has exposed George Osborne's record of profound unfairness and economic failure. Not only must the cuts to support for disabled people be abandoned, but the Government must change economic course.

"The Chancellor has failed the British people. He should follow the honourable course taken by Iain Duncan Smith and resign."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rnment-s-pip-disability-benefit-a6938931.html

But tomorrow will be the first set of PM's questions since this started; I suspect that he'll choose to emphasise the point then.
 
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This Labour loyalty list, what a bloody shambles. In a week where the Tories are facing massive backlash, and Labour can collectively stick it in, this has to happen.

Corbyn's office has distanced himself from it, yet Katy Clark is supposedly the author of it.

If it's genuine, then Katy Clark has to go. If you author such a divisive list, you're putting your neck on the line if you share it. If it has to exist at all, it has to exist for a very specific purpose, and it must be kept secret, just to one person. Labour also need to follow it up and find where the leak came from, if possible.

But the sheer coincidence of timing, that it comes out in the Tories worst week, giving Cameron an easy target, makes it incredibly suspect to me.
 
This Labour loyalty list, what a bloody shambles. In a week where the Tories are facing massive backlash, and Labour can collectively stick it in, this has to happen.

Corbyn's office has distanced himself from it, yet Katy Clark is supposedly the author of it.

If it's genuine, then Katy Clark has to go. If you author such a divisive list, you're putting your neck on the line if you share it. If it has to exist at all, it has to exist for a very specific purpose, and it must be kept secret, just to one person. Labour also need to follow it up and find where the leak came from, if possible.

But the sheer coincidence of timing, that it comes out in the Tories worst week, giving Cameron an easy target, makes it incredibly suspect to me.

One facepalm after another for a Party that after this budget should of been on a high rise.

Very suspect but then It's a massively stupid thing to have in the first place and the way Corbyns office have handle things recently has been embrassing for a party that should of had a field day with the Tories.

Press and Some people on social media saying Corbyn is a return to old Labour are wrong, the Opd Labour (whilst I wasn't a big fan) had a Strong Backbone something this Labour seems to be very much lacking.
 
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One facepalm after another for a Party that after this budget should of been on a high rise.

Very suspect but then It's a massively stupid thing to have in the first place and the way Corbyns office have handle things recently has been embrassing for a party that should of had a field day with the Tories.

Press and Some people on social media saying Corbyn is a return to old Labour are wrong, the Opd Labour (whilst I wasn't a big fan) had a Strong Backbone something this Labour seems to be very much lacking.
If they ever had it. Corbyn's office deny it came from them and Corbyn denies even ever hearing about it. I see three possibilities:
They are lying
Someone from the office made it in their personal time without others knowing about it, and lost it
Or it's a fabrication

Given the timing of it all, I suspect the latter.
 
If they ever had it. Corbyn's office deny it came from them and Corbyn denies even ever hearing about it. I see three possibilities:
They are lying
Someone from the office made it in their personal time without others knowing about it, and lost it
Or it's a fabrication

Given the timing of it all, I suspect the latter.

So the Tories have made it up?
 
Potentially a disgruntled Labour MP or staff member. Perhaps even a Tory insider. Who knows, the facts are fairly bare in this story.
 
I see no particular reason to think it was a fabrication to be honest. Do lists like that get made? Yup. Would Corbyn lie about this? I believe so.

Do I think that anyone making this up would have done a better job of compiling it than Corbyn's office? Yeah.

It's a non-story really. Corbyn's office aware that Labour party is sharply divided in some ways - we all know it. It's only news because the Labour party is sharply divided, and because the political press love free dirt.

The constant dribble of anti-Semitism coming out of the party and accusations of homophobia in Labour are far more important business.

Also, yeah, the budget. Oops!
 
Sounds like something Vladmir 12 used to say about Putin's regime.
Eh? The facts are absolutely missing in this story.

What form does the list take? Is it an email, a letter, a piece of paper?
How did the Times come into possession of it?
Who authored the list?
Was it leaked, or found? If leaked, by who? If found, where?
Where is the visual evidence of the list? Presumably to know who appears on the list, the Times must have the list in some form.
What fact checking has the Times done to make sure the source is real?
Is the timing of the list coincidence or intentional?

There are literally no primary sources in this. All we have is a second-hand account of the list from the Times.

I mean, from the Guardian:

There were multiple competing theories about how the leaked list emerged and who drew it up. One Labour MP suggested it was drawn up by a Corbyn loyalist in the whips’ office, rather than the leader’s office, and left in a House of Commons bar by mistake.


Others were convinced it was an attempt to mark out Labour MPs as targets for deselection by local activists ahead of the forthcoming boundary review.

I mean, I've been trying to google around for some of the answers to this, and I'm hitting a bit of a blank.

It's a non-story really. Corbyn's office aware that Labour party is sharply divided in some ways - we all know it. It's only news because the Labour party is sharply divided, and because the political press love free dirt.
It's more the public outing of where everyone stands where the story fits in. Not great for party cohesion.
 
It's more the public outing of where everyone stands where the story fits in. Not great for party cohesion.

Everyone knew. Well, apart from Michael Meacher, because he's dead. But that's why everyone's accepted the story - it tells us what we already know.

That said, given your research, I will now raise my scepticism a few notches. The Times should be at least able to say how the document came into their possession and/or to print photos of the document.
 
Everyone knew. Well, apart from Michael Meacher, because he's dead. But that's why everyone's accepted the story - it tells us what we already know.

That said, given your research, I will now raise my scepticism a few notches. The Times should be at least able to say how the document came into their possession and/or to print photos of the document.
See, some of the Labour MPs are really pissy about it: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/25/labour-mps-back-call-for-jeremy-corbyn-to-stand-down

Corbyn's approval has risen by 10 points, on -11 now, Cameron has dropped by 10 points, on -25 now:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...leadership-satisfaction-ratings-a6950456.html

Labour are also now neck-and-neck for the first time since Corbyn came in, in the latest four voting intention polls over the last two weeks. These polls happened before the IDS resignation, so some fallout of that may still occur.

Also, Corbyn presented the prestigious "Outstanding Contribution to the British Kebab Industry" award at the British Kebab Awards. He's a vegetarian. :lol:

Things are seemingly turning around for Corbyn.
 
That's a very reductive view of opinion polls. One election they got wrong doesn't change that they are more right than they are wrong.

And besides it's more the trend that is interesting. If you ask the same question in the same way at point A and point B, and observe a difference, and the difference is statistically significant, and this is done over several different polls, then it seems quite clear that there has been some kind of change in the public perception.
 
That's a very reductive view of opinion polls. One election they got wrong doesn't change that they are more right than they are wrong.

And besides it's more the trend that is interesting. If you ask the same question in the same way at point A and point B, and observe a difference, and the difference is statistically significant, and this is done over several different polls, then it seems quite clear that there has been some kind of change in the public perception.

It's the middle of a second term for David Cameron which is always a time when the polls are against the party in power and let's be honest they have fudged the budget. I still say that Corbyn will never be prime minister the bloke is just a protest vote and if he ever did get real traction the Tories have so much dirt to throw at him it would be destroyed in an instant. The only reason they have laid off him so far is because they want him leading the Labour party not someone like Hilary Benn.
 

Labour MPs in taking any excuse to be pissy about Corbyn shocker! :p

As for the polls - good for him. If he couldn't make any headway at this time, he was dead.

Does it mean they've turned around? I don't think they have - or at least, not conclusively. Miliband had a similarly big lead after the Omnishambles budget mk 2. People are talking about what the Tories have done wrong, not what Labour have done right.

If Corbyn and Labour exploit this to walk out there and offer an alternative people like and regain their credibility, then they'll have done what they need to.

Elsewise, they're at the mercy of the Tories. Tories get their act together, then the polls reverse.
 
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