A Political Thread

[austingtir]

CNN were the only ones claiming the "Alluah Akbhar" shouts.
Not a single German media reported that (not even the ones you could bet on they would) plus German police did not say anything in this direction.
Pretty sure it was misinformation. Police got couple of hundreds reports by private people and videos / social media. Pretty sure 98% of those will be bulls.
Yes, I do live in Germany and I am German.

Well this is supposedly direct transcript from a video of some german dude arguing with the gunman on the rooftop. The only bit that appears wrong is where the gunman says ****ing turk whereas it sounded more like it came from somebody behind the camera not the gunman....

Guy: Du Arschloch, du Wixxer (You *******, you ******)

Gunman: Und jetzt muss ich ne Waffe kaufen um euch ???umzubringen??? (And now I have to buy a weapon to ???kill you???)

Guy: Dir gehört der Schädel abgeschnitten, du Arschloch (Someone should cut your head off, you *******)

Gunman: Scheiss Türken (****ing Turks)

Guy: Scheiss Kanacken (****ing [don't have a proper translation for that: something like sandn*ggers])

Guy: Er hat eine geladene Waffe (He has a loaded gun) Holt die Bullen! (Bring the cops!) Der Wixxer (This ******)

Gunman: Ich bin Deutscher (I'm a german)

Guy: Du bist ein Wixxer, bist du (You're a ******, that's what you are)

Gunman: Hört auf mich zu filmen! (Stop filming me!)

Guy: Was macht dich deutsch? (What makes you german?)

Gunman: Ich bin hier geboren worden. (I was born here)

Guy: Na und? Was machst für einen Scheiß? (So what? What **** are you doing?)

Gunman: Ich bin hier aufgwachsen in der Hartz4-Gegend (I was grown up in the Hartz4-area [Hartz4 = unemployment benefit])

Gunman: Ich war in Behandlung (I was in therapy)

Guy: Ja, Behandlung. Du gehörst in die Psychiatrie du Arschloch. (Yes, therapy. You belong to psychiatry, you *******.)

Gunman: Ich habe nichts getan. Halten Sie die Schnauze. (I did nothing. Shut the **** up!)

Guy: Du Wixxer, du (You ******, you)

shots fired. people screaming

people starts speaking in a foreign language


And not that I follow CNN or much of any foreign news outlets but somewhere in this dailmail article it does say he shouted Allahu Akbar.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-way-shots-fired-shopping-centre-Munich.html

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-west-yorkshire <---- Not an immigrant

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...le-became-ultra-violent-radicals-9015743.html <---- Not immigrants

Infact you go over history in the UK and even recent weeks and you'll see its very rarely immigrants. Last mass shooting was in Cumbria 2010 (wasn't done by an immigrant). So think we are fine on gun control laws. As to foreign nationals committing atrocities.

Last time was the Lockerbie bombing and before that we had far far more to fear from those lovable Irish rogues the IRA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Great_Britain

You lot are all getting triggered on me going on about gun control when the comments I made above were more tongue in check and directly aimed at Jnuh. Fact is I wouldnt want to see any country other than america with guns. Its as simple as that.

And LOL at your not immigrants comments after the links when infact pretty much all of those have some outside influence involved. Weather it be people ****** at letting immigrants in or immigrants babys that have grown up to hate you and your country (ISIS) have gone AWOL.

 

[ncurd]

Daily Mail yeah that's going report actual facts....you do realise in this country for news it's considered a joke by just about everybody?

 

[austingtir]

Daily Mail yeah that's going report actual facts....you do realise in this country for news it's considered a joke by just about everybody?

Is it the CuckNN of the UK is it?

 

[ncurd]

Is it the CuckNN of the UK is it?

Try Fox News

 

[TRF_Olyy]

CuckNN

Ah, so you ARE a parody. Thank God.

 

[j'nuh]

So your the ones with idiots running around shooting people and slashing people up in your countries that are usually always immigrants of some form or another. Yet your all like nothing to see here carry on.

Just LOL.

1. There were 713 murders in Germany in 2014. And you think that these high-profile cases are representative. Your statistical illiteracy is sad.

2. Your alienating rhetoric is a cause for radicalisation.

I was going ask why would you say that. But with the liberal make up of the moderation on this forum its no surprise.

You guys that run this forum need to take a hard look at yourselves. If you cant handle I guess a more right point of view in a political thread then just ban me and get it over with because im not going to change what I think.

Let me break it down for you:

Right-wing views:

• "I support the privatisation of the NHS."
• "Taxes on the rich suffocate growth."
• "The welfare state causes dependency and enables unemployment."

Racist views:

• Yours

 

[austingtir]

1. There were 713 murders in Germany in 2014. And you think that these high-profile cases are representative. Your statistical illiteracy is sad.

2. Your alienating rhetoric is a cause for radicalisation.


Let me break it down for you:

Right-wing views:

• "I support the privatisation of the NHS."
• "Taxes on the rich suffocate growth."
• "The welfare state causes dependency and enables unemployment."

Racist views:

• Yours

What has the 713 murders that happen in any country got even the slightest to do with this?

Your liberal rhetoric is the reason your country is going to the dogs as well as the rest of europe the only reason politicians want immigration is to hold up your crumbling economys.
As you have recently found out in Brexit not only are your views undemocratic and unpatriotic they are wrong. And even better the more you call average people like myself racists the more all of this is going to bite you lot on the ass.

 

[j'nuh]

What has the 713 murders that happen in any country got even the slightest to do with this?

Accusing a peaceful majority of immigrants over the actions of isolated people is wrong. There isn't a bigger picture of violent immigrants here.

Your liberal rhetoric is the reason your country is going to the dogs as well as the rest of europe the only reason politicians want immigration is to hold up your crumbling economys.

Well, given a right wing government has been in power for the last 6 years, I don't think my liberal views have had any impact on policy or the economy. Maybe it's time for a liberal government to show the way?

As you have recently found out in Brexit not only are your views undemocratic and unpatriotic they are wrong.

Ian Hislop will say it better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nI_4uXzD4

And even better the more you call average people like myself racists the more all of this is going to bite you lot on the ass.

Jesus you have really misrepresented the British position if you think you are on the same lines as the average Brexiter. The average Brexiter has reasons to limit immigration, but you go further than this. You demonise migrants, you use racist language. You are more like the very small group of people going around telling migrants to go home after the referendum, obviously a position not shared by the majority. You are not average; you are a racist.

 

[ncurd]

As you have recently found out in Brexit not only are your views undemocratic and unpatriotic they are wrong.

How are they undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

I'd certainly like to know how most my colleagues who have worked their lifetime in the defence industry in various fields are unpatriotic.

 

[austingtir]

Accusing a peaceful majority of immigrants over the actions of isolated people is wrong. There isn't a bigger picture of violent immigrants here.


Well, given a right wing government has been in power for the last 6 years, I don't think my liberal views have had any impact on policy or the economy. Maybe it's time for a liberal government to show the way?


Ian Hislop will say it better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nI_4uXzD4


Jesus you have really misrepresented the British position if you think you are on the same lines as the average Brexiter. The average Brexiter has reasons to limit immigration, but you go further than this. You demonise migrants, you use racist language. You are more like the very small group of people going around telling migrants to go home after the referendum, obviously a position not shared by the majority. You are not average; you are a racist.

Im not racist at all. Im married to immigrant myself and not only that im from a family of immigrants. You really are an all assuming **** arent you!!!

Id really like for someone to point out exactly what iv said thats racist!

Its got nothing to do with what govt's been in power for the last 6 years. Britain and the rest of europe have been getting dictated to on foreign policy for a hang of a lot longer than that!

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How are they undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

I'd certainly like to know how most my colleagues who have worked their lifetime in the defence industry in various fields are unpatriotic.

That was directed at Jnah. I cant recall if you were part of the *****ing and moaning on here after the result of the brexit vote. Jnah certainly was.

Whats that got to do with it? Was the vote not 52% so your trying to tell me the majority of your colleagues in defence voted to stay? not good at math are you??

 

[ncurd]

Uhhh no you're terrible at maths specifically statistics or at least understanding what they mean.

52% of the voting population of the UK voted to stay in the UK. That doesn't mean the same thing when you get down to my collegues of which I have about 300 the majority of whom have undergraduate or postgraduate degrees (a couple have doctorates). Statistics showed that demographic was overwhelminglying in favour of staying in the EU. Alot were under the age of 55 as well.

Also personally I can attest with 20 people I work with every day not a single one voted to leave the EU and we're genuinely angry when the result came in.

As to what it has to download with it you just accused a bunch of people who spend everything day working on ideas to better improve the defence capabilities of the UK who hold security clearances as being unpatriotic due to the way they voted in EU referendum. Just about everyone I know would take quite a bit of offence from that.

However I note again you deflected of the question how was it undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

 

[austingtir]

Uhhh no you're terrible at maths specifically statistics or at least understanding what they mean.

52% of the voting population of the UK voted to stay in the UK. That doesn't mean the same thing when you get down to my collegues of which I have about 300 the majority of whom have undergraduate or postgraduate degrees (a couple have doctorates). Statistics showed that demographic was overwhelminglying in favour of staying in the EU. Alot were under the age of 55 as well.

Also personally I can attest with 20 people I work with every day not a single one voted to leave the EU and we're genuinely angry when the result came in.

As to what it has to download with it you just accused a bunch of people who spend everything day working on ideas to better improve the defence capabilities of the UK who hold security clearances as being unpatriotic due to the way they voted in EU referendum. Just about everyone I know would take quite a bit of offence from that.

However I note again you deflected of the question how was it undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

I work with 4 poms here in NZ one of which wouldnt tell us who he voted for so you'd assume a stayer. The other three all voted to leave.

And yeah i'll call that one pommy mate at work on monday undemocratic and unpatriotic on monday if it makes you feel better?

 

[ncurd]

You still haven't answered the question how is undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

You said it was proven.

 

[austingtir]

You still haven't answered the question how is undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong?

You said it was proven.

No your trying to put words in my mouth again son. It dont work like that. You can stew on that for the day.

 

[ncurd]

As you have recently found out in Brexit not only are your views undemocratic and unpatriotic they are wrong.

<----Your words not mine.

However I ask the same question how are my views undemocratic, unpatriotic and wrong? How have we found that out?

Due to refusal to answer the question I'm assuming you know your wrong and running away because you can't admit it.

Earlier you were moaning about your right wings views and being admonished in the political thread. Well if you can't actually back up anything you say you should really come here and play with the big boys.

 

[j'nuh]

Im not racist at all. Im married to immigrant myself and not only that im from a family of immigrants. You really are an all assuming **** arent you!!!

Id really like for someone to point out exactly what iv said thats racist!

Its got nothing to do with what govt's been in power for the last 6 years. Britain and the rest of europe have been getting dictated to on foreign policy for a hang of a lot longer than that!

You can be racist against some groups and not others.

Here's your racism:

Suggesting black people shouldn't be campaigning against being killed:

And we can all thank Obama and his sick liberal policies enabling BLM, not providing law enforcement with the tools they need (training mostly) and of course lets not forget the media.

Followed with - "The blacks". "Average gang banger mentality".

But on top of that the blacks do themselves no favours with their higher than average gang banger mentalitys and propensity to crime. All we hear on the media is this BS about how many black people are being killed by cops yet they seldom seem to state these facts with the rest which say that twice as many whites are killed by cops and the actual number of blacks being killed by cops is in the correct order to how many of them are scum bags. Which actually shows that police in the USA generally show more restraint towards blacks than any other race in america!

Poisoning the well over BLM:

And if theres so many jobs how is it that all these protestors weather it be BLM or whoever have the time to go protest? Whenever I see any of these people on the TV its pretty damn obvious to me they are highly unlikely to be employed in anything meaningful.

Suggesting all violent attacks are done by immigrants:

So your the ones with idiots running around shooting people and slashing people up in your countries that are usually always immigrants of some form or another. Yet your all like nothing to see here carry on.

Just LOL.

 

[austingtir]

You can be racist against some groups and not others.

Here's your racism:

Suggesting black people shouldn't be campaigning against being killed:


Followed with - "The blacks". "Average gang banger mentality".


Poisoning the well over BLM:


Suggesting all violent attacks are done by immigrants:

All you seem to do on here is try and put words in my mouth (and others for that matter) and skew things that I said into some sort of racist speak.


Its nothing to do with people campaigning about not being killed thats fine thats freedom of speech they can say what they want. BUT there are people in the BLM movement and outsiders to it calling for killing cops. Also alot of these so called police killings of black people that they are claiming are false narratives. Even a govt run by Obama is acquiting most of these cops of any wrong doing?? How does that work??? (of course there are a few that arent but **** happens and they've got every right to kick up a stink about those).

Whats racist about saying "the blacks" im sorry but thats not racist. "average gang banger mentality" again whats the problem? Are cops in the states not **** scared to go into certain areas because of drug dealers and such weather it be black, white, mexican or asian? I just happened to mention the blacks because thats center stage atm is it not? Its the same for the blacks they are probably **** scared of the cops so act accordingly. All im saying is a great deal of this atmosphere is created by govt policy maybe I didnt put it in some PC way but thats not me. I dont give a toss for being politically correct.

Why cant we talk about this? You want to call anyone who even talks of this stuff a racist why? Its because it hurts your liberal narrative of everyone living in peace and harmony? Everything doesnt smell of roses and the sun doesnt shine in the sky 24 hours a day on everybodys little patch. Thats just how it is. Just because you want to live in a PC bubble where your going lalalala you can say that its racist doesnt mean everyone has to think like you.

I never suggested ALL violent attacks are by immigrants im just talking about these ones in the media but a select few on here would rather act the fool and be all like what about all this other irrelevant BS.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

My main issue with BLM is i keep thinking it is a type of sandwich when i see it written down.

Bacon, Lettuce and Mayo.

 

[ncurd]

Still not going to answer my question austingtir? Cmon I'm giving you ample time to justify your opinion you came in with a sweeping statement and I'm asking you to explain how you came to that conclusion. Instead you reply j'nuh who again just quote what you are saying and state he's putting words in your mouth.

 

[austingtir]

[FONT=&quot]"What's sweeping across the continent is a rejection of political correctness by native populations. The majority of people in all European nations are more than happy to accommodate new arrivals and allow them enjoy all the freedoms our societies offer, but being a British, German, Swedish, Irish et al passport holder does not make you British, German, Swedish or Irish. If you're born in a stable as the old saying goes, it doesn't make you a horse.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It's inconceivable that an Irish person or a Swede who was born in, say, Nigeria or Pakistan would suddenly start telling the natives there that they were Nigerian or Pakistani. If they were to the howls of laughter I'm sure would be heard throughout the streets of Lagos and Islamabad. Why they're considered as Irish as Finbar O'Murchú or as Swedish as Sven Svensson as soon as they can tick off enough bureaucratic boxes to qualify for a passport anyones guess. It wasn't a German that carried out those horrific attacks in Munich. It was a German passport holder. A distinct difference in most people eyes."[/FONT]