All Blacks 2019 RWC squad

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  1. Jabby

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    yeah, fair enough, think i just got caught up in the story and really liked the idea of someone actually storming into the squad, not just on potential or reputation but actually went out and dominated in a few games (admittedly at a lower level) and coming back all full of confidence...i might be worried about moral after the RC
     
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    Really disappointed for Liam Squire. I believe we will miss him at RWC because without him we don't have an uncompromising, hard running enforcer at blinside. On the other hand, that means he will be available for Tasman Makos for the rest of the season :D

    Happy for Matt Todd though...
     
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    Say what?
     
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    That's still a very good squad though. But I do see a few cracks in the armour, especially from the Bok camp's perspective.

    Not picking Franks, is IMO a bad call, and while the other props do offer more variety, it might be a bad move at the scrums, one area where the Boks might target the AB's.

    The other is the wings. They are all great wingers, but they're not that good with the bombs. Kolbe has shown on more than one occassion he can upstage Ioane in that facet of play.

    Laumape is unfortunate, as he has the skills to break through tackles and score tries, but the other centres have overall better skills.
     
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    If we hadn’t lost to Ireland, you could guarantee franks would be in and taavao would not. The performance of Healy and furlong in that game was outstanding in terms of their workrate, miles above what we had to offer. Karl possibly wouldn’t have made it even if he had been fit all year, but being out with viral meningitis for several months meant he had practically zero chance, just not fit enough.

    Luke was always going to make it if squire was left out, given they had already dropped frizell. Simply because they need three players able to cover each position, and Fifita can’t cover number 8.

    To me a bad decision to take 6 outside back options instead of a third first five option
     
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    Its true that Franks has always been considered a good option VS the boks to hold his own in the scrums and help stop the big African ball carriers. I think there is more too it, Owen has dealt with injuries this year and his numbers are not where they have been in the past I recon the AB selectors have seen the strength and fittness tests and seen he is not at his best and put that together with the few soft performances he has had. it's a bold call for sure, I dont think they would have made that call without some information that we don't have access too.

    I hope Ioane finds his magic again, maybe the best wing in the world for 2-3 years all of a sudden he's a bit off his game. If he's not then we have Bridge and Sevu, Bridges ball skills are superb for a guy that isn't huge, he has all the skills to be a first class fullback, only 6ft1 but has a great leap and timing. Sevu is a surprise package as well I'm always concerned with a winger on the smaller side how they will go under the high ball. he's not built like a high ball expert. But I have to say pretty much every time he gets put under pressure on defense he does the job, its an aspect of test rugby as a winger that is even more important than scoring tries IMO. We also have the option of selecting Jordie Barrett who is a natural under the high ball.

    IMO there is enough time between that ugly first game against Aussie and the opening of the WC for Ioane and Ben Smith to sort their game out. In particular Ben Smith got a lot of slack but when you look at his stats he beat defenders, made a number of linebreaks and clocked up some good meters and try assists and just looked hard to tackle like always. Really he just had a tough night under a few high balls and made a couple of uncharacteristic knock on's. IMO he is not far off.
     
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    I doubt that the Richie Beauden combo isn’t their first choice. But they will want back up in that game plan , which no doubt will include Jordie playing fullback but trying to have more of a playmaker role, and same with smith. I wouldn’t be surprised if against a minow they start Jordie at ten and Ben Smith at 15 and ask them both to play a playmaking role.
     
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    The problem is Damian got injured. They had been developing this plan all of last and this year and had to make a call after Damian’s injury, whether to continue the strategy or not despite having no real backup options for it.
    Not having franks is a worry. We lost against Ireland because their props were more mobile and potentially overreacted because now we could be vulnerable in the scrum. Good news is, however, that if laulala gets injured they can bring franks straight in, even if Nepo was only going to be injured for a week.

    In terms of in the air, the first choices in the air, if they pick them, are reasonably strong. That being bridge, Beauden, and Jordie. It will be interesting if they use horses for courses.
    the stats are nonsense. Ardie achieved 6 turnovers in one game in super rugby but somehow rugby pass didn’t see any of them. Even alb, whose stats are great, offers so much more than his stats suggest.
     
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    Looking at that squad I think its fair to say NZ are still the team to beat but I do get the feeling (at least from what I see on paper) that the daylight there was between NZ and the next best couple of teams isn't there any more. In saying that NZ will probably now rock up and dominate the RWC start to finish LOL. Me and my big mouth..
     
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    no source of stats is perfect but multiple sources confirmed that though cane had limited game time this season he was winning more turnovers per minute played than Savea. the finer detail doesn't really matter and it wasn't an putdown on Savea's stellar season. But it without a doubt disproves the claim that Cane wasn't winning enough turnovers. if anything he's been better at the breakdown this year than he has been the last couple of seasons. yeah on stats funny there was one game Cane probably should have been credited with 3 but only got credited stats for 1. I think with both of them on the field it will be a genuine area of strength.

    DMAC's injury really changed the landscape. Hansen basically flat out admtted that they would have likely only selected 2 halfbacks if Damian wasn't injured. I'm glad Brad has been selected though I hope he gets a shot to show his form.
     
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    I think the thing that has me quietly confident is that despite less than stellar results against in those first 3 tests it was with the All Blacks using a super conservative gameplan. Literally Zero set plays, training moves. Just through the hands and running at gaps. no specific gameplans even when other teams have genuinely been trying stuff, Ive seen some interesting set moves be used in the northern warn up games and from AUS & SA showing new moves and set play. The AB's have all the cards still hidden. I'm guessing we will only see some proper game plans, strategy and set moves towards the end of pool play. For now all the interesting stuff has likely been kept behind closed doors. Even the big win over Aussie was straight up Vanilla rugby. If each match this year was must win we would have seen very different performances but there is an obvious strategy to hold everything back for the WC.

    Boks, Eng and the Welsh all look strong. Ireland will be better than this last result and Aussie always have a big game in them. This WC is going to be hotly contested. it will be brutal too, injuries will be a factor.

    So will the grounds in Japan, it will be interesting to see how the Japanese grounds play. How fast they are.
     
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    I honestly don’t think that cane is better than savea at 7 in terms of turnovers. Maybe it’s just that what Ardie does isn’t getting recognised as a turnover. I had counted turnovers over the course of three games and they came out higher than 10, supposedly from 16 games. And cane too, as you recognise, assists in a lot of turnovers by tackling the player behind the gain line. I think the stats can be interesting, but I can’t fathom what they mean given how different they are to what I see, and I think they will only account for ten percent of what matters. Where is the number of effective clean outs, for instance? Sam whitelock is brilliant at the clean out, making him consistently one of our best players. Half a second extra at a ruck makes a massive difference. According to stats that doesn’t matter.
     
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    For the sake of the game, just an opinion:

    Liam in stead of Matt - much more dynamic player
    Laumape - will never leave a try scoring machine out of the team - AlB is better that SBW and he is a good distributer as well - one way or the other, make room for a Laumape

    Warning signs, opinion varies and some will kill you for just mentioning that but Ben S and SBW are over their best, taking them on past glories are a gamble
    Retalic could be an injury risk as he just recovered, but then again, who would leave him at home
    This so reminds me of a previous South African mindset

    Still a damn good squad, wishing you well (but not the cup) in the tournament
     
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    That AB squad is definitely beatable.
     
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    This is one of those, "How could they possibly leave him out?" moments, except when the reply comes, "Well, who are you dropping him for?" I have no answer... Man oh man, he is a delight to watch!
     
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    Fair enough then... shame he would have been a good addition.

    I actually quite like Frizell - if he can make the mental switch like Tuipolotu seems to have done then he could make a big impact. Has all the physical tools to be a dominant #6.
     
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    Gutted for Luke but yeah Frizell is an awesome player and he can be great if he stays switched on I think Jabby is 100% correct.

    So Fifita is injured I would have taken Frizell over Fifita anyway but I would have taken Dalton Papalii over them both but Dalton is injured as well?! Not sure how bad they are but in this situation you want guys that are ready to go.

    More obvious than ever now that Squire was not ready to go to Japan. Hansen has been pretty guarded about that situation but foster was more open and hinted that the decision was Squires. Seems like squire will only asnwer an SOS later in the picture if it happens.

    Still gutted for Luke, at the same time I've been thinking there was a strong chance that this would happen given the issues he has had this season. His last symptoms happened from just taking hits carring a tackle bag. That is not a good sign. He needs to take the summer off and just hope he gets sorted. The guy has all the assets to have a long rugby career if he can get through this patch. Looking at Dane Coles and Charlie Ngatai as examples of players who looked like their careers were over from concussion but seemed to have recovered ok.
     
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