Anglo Cup Returns

Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by Saint N Sinner, Nov 28, 2005.

  1. Boy

    Boy Guest

    First thing, Catt didn't start playing first grade rugby until he came to the UK. You can't say he couldn't cope with SA physicality when he didn't concentrate on his rugby until he left. It was 1992/3, the game was still amateur, and he was barely 20.

    With all due respect, every team needs a front row. If Australia had one, they wouldn't be in the trouble they are right now. Leinster's got turned inside out by Bath in the HC at the RDS a couple of months ago. They had far more than 10-15% possession (more like 50-55%), and couldn't win at home against a, let's face it, average Premiership team.
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  3. Totally agree.

    The front row is the main issue today in sport. It need's to be perfect to stand any chance of winning.

    Injury's don't help either.
  4. loratadine

    loratadine Guest

    i disagree, how much celtic league games do you watch, henson is a fantastic player and is in the top 4 centres in britain. Granted he aint there quite yet, but hes still an abosolute fantastic player and in my opinion is streets ahead of anyone england have got to offer, ive seen ollie smith and dont really rate him as good as henson, is passing - like most england centres is shocking.
  5. robbinho

    robbinho Guest

  6. cavan

    cavan Guest

    lol, Wilkinson-esque tendancies. [​IMG]
  7. loratadine

    loratadine Guest

    its only a week
    they prob dont want to rush him back.
  8. robbinho

    robbinho Guest

    Except Johnny isn't an over-rated fop with a hugely exaggerated sense of his own self worth. And isn't banging a fat charver.
  9. loratadine

    loratadine Guest

    no youre right - hes not banging anyone.
  10. Flamingo

    Flamingo Guest

    Nor is Gav [​IMG]
  11. Saints have announced their line-up for the match against Leicester:

    15 BRUCE REIHANA (capt)
    13 Jon Clarke
    12 Rhodri Davies
    11 BEN COHEN
    1 Chris Budgen
    3 Pat Barnard
    4 Damien Browne
    5 Matt Lord
    6 Ben Lewitt
    8 Daniel Browne

    16 Dylan Hartley
    17 Colin Noon
    19 Darren Fox
    20 Johnny Howard
    21 Luke Myring
    22 John Rudd
  12. robbinho

    robbinho Guest

    Jon Clarke was 3 years below me at school.
  13. Boy

    Boy Guest

    Think I probably played with him half a dozen or so times at Frome RFC before he went off to Bath (then Bristol, now Saints). Used to play 10 those days, and was always trying petulent little tricks. Funny to see him use pretty much the same tricks playing in the centres for Saints at Sarriers. I didn't fall for them, of course...
  14. el_tk

    el_tk Guest

    They lost by 3 points because Contepomi played out-half for 20 minutes and scored a full house. Then he invented this new position between 2nd centre and wing and f***ed off and played the rest of the match there.

    If the ref had penalised blatant deliberate knock-ons and played advantage consistently your 14 man pack with Olly Barkley would have lost.
  15. el_tk

    el_tk Guest

    So this fantastic bunch of threequarters were only signed when all your good players left?

    The Churchill cup is an absolute joke. Wow, out of England A, The US, Canada, and the NZ Maori, England A had the best centre. There's an achievement, what with there being no pro-league in the US and none tha I'm aware of in Canada.

    Smith and Henson are different kinds of players. Smith is a traditional centre while Henson is used more in the 2nd playmaker role akin to Mauger and Giteau.

    I didn't say an international cap equals a good player but I think we'd all agree that international players aren't picked out of a hat, or in some kind of lottery but because the international coaching team percieves them to offer more in certain areas than others.

    Henson was not Wales' worst player last year. As I said before, you're just jealous because he doesn't play for Bristol/England.
  16. Flamingo

    Flamingo Guest

    Here Here el tk, Here Here
  17. Boy

    Boy Guest

    You said Leinster could win with 10-15% possession. If your players aren't disciplined enough even to play in their right position, your statement is clearly false.

    If the ref had properly penalised the scrum, your prop Byrne would have been whistled all day. He wouldn't have been able to hear it, of course, what with his head being shoved up his arse by David Barnes and Matt Stevens.
  18. el_tk

    el_tk Guest

    Leinster can generally win with 10-15% of posession because their back play compensates for the forward failings, due to the fact that they usually have an outhalf in the traditional position.

    If the ref had played advantage properly and brought back Shane Horgan's kick-through Leinster would have gained at least another 3 points in the 1st half, if he had penalised the 3 blatant deliberate knock-ons Leinster would have got another 6-9 points in the 2nd half.

    This is all more or less irrelevant anyway as my original point was about jealousy of Henson and Catt was merely a convienent example for something 2 pages back.

    I'd say deep down you're still hurting from last season when Leinster beat you once and then got away with daylight robbery in a match where their line-out (and probably scrum) got murdered. What happened then? BOD popped up and scored one try and played a large part in another for O'Kelly.
  19. Boy

    Boy Guest

    Your point was that Leinster didn't need a front row. I don't believe that to be true. Leinster's backs are, on their day, extremely impressive, but until they build up the front five, they aren't going to make any impression on the Heineken Cup. Likewise, the same goes for Bath's backline.

    You mentioned Catt, and as I know about him, I clarified the reference you made.

    I'd like to think that my life is full enough not to still be hurting about two games of rugby last season, neither of which Bath deserved to win.
  20. harrison2468

    harrison2468 Guest

    You still don't what your talking about when it comes to the players though, making you ignorant. They are doing a very good job, but you wouldn't know about that, being ignorant and all. [​IMG]

    Henson is a centre. Smith is a centre. Smith is better, simple as.

    Regardless of quality, which he really doesn't have much of, I would never want such an unproffessional player in a team I support. Slagging off your own players is just out of order. He isn't as good as you think him, it's just that you are engulfed by the media for him too much. You can only make up your mind through reading articles, rather than watching the player himself.

    Jealous of Henson? [​IMG] What, because I slag him off for being a knob, a crap one at that. Get over it, you just love his legs in reality.
  21. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest


    Not to be too akward, but Henson is an inside centre while Smith is an outside centre.

    However, Ollie Barkley > Henson. And that's a hell of a comment!!!! [​IMG]
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