Very smart point ... I guess today SA isn't going to beat los Pumas 50-0 ... I guess Italy had to do the same to join the V nations ... That's only in the RWC. Los Pumas have beaten FOUR times Australia (and we managed a draw too), South American Jaguars (15 Pumas using a different name to avoid problems with apartheid - indeed the emblem in los Pumas shirt is an argentinean Jaguar rather than a Puma) have beaten SA once (21-12 all points by Hugo Porta - and some people thinks that this is the first time that we have a competitive team ... -) and finally we haven't beaten the All Blacks yet (but we managed a 21 draw, all points by Hugo Porta again). I've bolded from the last three matches played against TRI nations teams the ones that I think were not demolitions at all: 24 Jun 2006 Argentina 19 - 25 New Zealand 26 Jun 2004 New Zealand 41 - 7 Argentina 01 Dec 2001 Argentina 20 - 24 New Zealand 2 out of three and actually we could have won the ones bolded. 05 Nov 2005 Argentina 23 - 34 South Africa 04 Dec 2004 Argentina 7 - 39 South Africa 28 Jun 2003 South Africa 26 - 25 Argentina 2 out of three, the one that we lost by one point after a debatable disallowed try and several minutes of additional time .. 10 Oct 2003 Australia 24 - 8 Argentina 02 Nov 2002 Argentina 6 - 17 Australia 24 Jun 2000 Australia 32 - 25 Argentina 2 out of three again. [/b][/quote] Point made. YKNGR you must be the only one here who thinks otherwise. Los Pumas have proved over the past 5 years consistently that they can compete, and after this RWC they will only be tougher especially in their home games in Buenos Aires. No one can be so arrogant as to deny a brilliant team like Argentina to join the tri nations. I'll be a bitter man if we keep ignoring them. [/b][/quote] yeah, those were some really lame comments and comebacks YKNGR. especially the "they can't join because it's the TRI nations, you can't have 4 teams!".. what da? were u serious? argentina do deserve to be in a tournament, maybe they won't win the whole thing first time round but they'd definately grow as a team and eventually in the near future win it! but i guess they can't join our TRI nations or the 6 Nations or the Pacific Cup because 4 doesn't go in 3, nor does 7 in 6 and their not from the pacific so that counts that tournament out too.. what on earth are they to do? just wait till the RWC every 4 years i guess eh..