Argentina must join Tri Nations

Discussion in 'Rugby World Cup 2007' started by Paul Overt, Oct 12, 2007.

  1. Phillipbul

    Phillipbul Guest

    The question I think is how is it possible that Argentina is not playing in a major international tournament while Italy, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are? Surely on current form they are on par if not better than the best the six nations have to offer. If they didn't lose last night my money would have been on them to beat England in the final.

    They will find it tough playing in the tri nations ( or whatever it might be called once we find a magician or some other superhero who can perform the humanly impossible task of changing the competitons name :p :lol: ) at first but I think they deserve a chance. They have world class players who will soon rise to the challenge.

    Logistically though it would be a great challenge for all involved in such a SH tournament due to the distances involved and the already full schedules of these teams.
     
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  3. asado

    asado Guest

    Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!! You must be talking about Japan! I've already provided the facts, we had done it. We have beaten Australia FOUR times, we have beaten South Africa with a "camuflated" team (as the All Blacks once toured there as the New Zealand Cavaliers) and we have tied to the ABs. 37-13? Have you really seen the match? It was so much closer in the development than that score, we gave away three gifts ...

    Your argument is pathetic .
     
  4. YKNGR

    YKNGR Guest

    If I didnt want Argentina to join the tri nations just because of a name, then yes i would be the most close minded person you'll find on earth. I have other reasons other than the name.

    The reason i dont think Argentina should join the Tri nations:

    1. They have proven themselves against European teams. but I think they are not quite ready to face on the tri nation teams. They should be playing in other tournament ( this i suggested before, a new tournament with many other teams playing) right now. In my opinion they are not quite ready to face the tri nation teams.

    2. The flight would be unbelievably annoying. Having the AllBlacks going to South Africa was bad enough, The argentine team would be absolutely out of shaped after having a lifetime flight to play in the tournament.

    I would like to see Argentina go into the tri nations for once. Once and see how well they do.
    lose all matches- out
    Win one match- in

    I want to see what they can do against the current teams. not the teams along time ago.
     
  5. asado

    asado Guest

    Yesterday's match was not even close to a demolition and you can see something, check the last four teams in this RWC.
     
  6. Ripper

    Ripper Guest

    Argentina would've likely demolished the Wallabies if they played like they did against England in the Quarter Final.
     
  7. mjrTom

    mjrTom Guest

    If I didnt want Argentina to join the tri nations just because of a name, then yes i would be the most close minded person you'll find on earth. I have other reasons other than the name.

    The reason i dont think Argentina should join the Tri nations:

    1. They have proven themselves against European teams. but I think they are not quite ready to face on the tri nation teams. They should be playing in other tournament ( this i suggested before, a new tournament with many other teams playing) right now. In my opinion they are not quite ready to face the tri nation teams.

    2. The flight would be unbelievably annoying. Having the AllBlacks going to South Africa was bad enough, The argentine team would be absolutely out of shaped after having a lifetime flight to play in the tournament.

    I would like to see Argentina go into the tri nations for once. Once and see how well they do.
    lose all matches- out
    Win one match- in

    I want to see what they can do against the current teams. not the teams along time ago.

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    im pretty sure that is the first comment that you made that makes any sense.
     
  8. Rikeka

    Rikeka Guest

    yeah, those were some really lame comments and comebacks YKNGR. especially the "they can't join because it's the TRI nations, you can't have 4 teams!".. what da? were u serious? argentina do deserve to be in a tournament, maybe they won't win the whole thing first time round but they'd definately grow as a team and eventually in the near future win it!



    but i guess they can't join our TRI nations or the 6 Nations or the Pacific Cup because 4 doesn't go in 3, nor does 7 in 6 and their not from the pacific so that counts that tournament out too.. what on earth are they to do? just wait till the RWC every 4 years i guess eh..

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    The point im trying to make is that argentina do deserve to be in a tournament but not the tri nations. Dont they have something like a super 14 team or something similar to that?
    If there were 4 teams in the TRI nations thats like saying we have a UNI cycle but then we have 2 wheels. ( not a great example)

    And having 4 teams in the tri nations would just sound pathetic, if were going to have 4 teams why wont we let in the French in the tri nations aswell and see how good they do in a rematch with the all blacks? After letting in France and Argentina oh we'll put in england and all the rest who wants to join. Soon it wont be the tri nations.

    Its like with animals, feed a cat and itll come back for more, soon you'll end up with more and more cats to feed. The IRB should at least make a tournament for the Argentines, but since this topic was about Argentina trying to join the Tri Nations, i thought id be talking about that instead.

    As a japanese myself, i want to see Japan join into a tournament aswell. See how much rugby improves in the country of baseball and soccer -.-
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    Seriously, I fully expect the word "soccer" from a non-informed American.
    Aside of that, no country will ever ever be respectable on that sport as long as they keep calling it like that.
    It`s like a curse. :D
     
  9. Crackdown

    Crackdown Guest

    Because in your eyes there are only three good teams in the world; SA, Aus and NZ? :rolleyes:

    There has been plenty of talk of the Pumas joining the 6N and playing their "home" games in Spain or somewhere similar, I'd say it's long overdue - also seeing as virtually all of their squad play in the NH's leagues it would also make sense.
     
  10. mjrTom

    mjrTom Guest

    yep, that is exactly what i mean :p. does argentina play outside of south america often? if they do then my bad. but if they dont, then i am correct. they need more practice against good teams. whether they join the 6N or the 3N. it would just make more sense for them to join a SH league.

    im just curious, has there ever been a game where NH plays SH? that would be an extremely interesting match to watch.
     
  11. asado

    asado Guest

    http://www.rugbydata.com/
     
  12. Aeros

    Aeros Guest

    Alright now boys, calm down :p

    I stand by what I said earlier - let Argentina play against each of the SANZAR countries twice (in test matches, not in a tournament). Monitor the performance. If they do well, include them by all means. If they don't, then don't. It's not that complicated.

    I disagree with your comment about the 37-13, and not just because I'm South African. But I'm not going to say why - this is not the thread for it, and I don't want to start a debate over it. I'm also not slamming Argentina - don't get me wrong. You did very well in this world cup.
     
  13. ikvat

    ikvat Guest

    Without being critic, i wonder if this team is not just a "one shoot team", with a fantastic generation.
    What about young players?
     
  14. asado

    asado Guest

    Some of them got to the QFs in 1999 RWC (so at least there are a two shoot team, spanning 8 years) and regarding next generation there are several players in prospect or already confirmed:

    Horacio Agulla WING (22 years, still playing at argentinean - amateur - league, having a terrific RWC)
    Gonzalo Tiesi CENTRE (22 years, playing at London Irish, was a sure starter but got injured just before RWC and almost missed it)
    Tomas de Vedia WING/FB (25 years old, Saracens)
    Matias Cortese PROP (21 years old, Biarritz Olympique - just moved from Northampton Saints -)
    Marcos Toro (bull) Ayerza PROP (24 years old, Leicester Tigers)
    Pedro Ledesma PROP (22 years old, Stade Francais - Mario Ledema brother -)
    Marcelo Bosch FLY HALF/CENTRE (22 years, playing at Biarritz Olympique, F. Contepomi replacement in near future)
    Juan Manuel Leguizamón N8/FLANKER (24 years old, London Irish, most probable replacement for Gonzalo Longo)
    Manuel Carizza LOCK (23 years old, Biarritz Olympique)
    Agustin Creevy FLANKER (22 years old, Biarritz Olympique)
    Genaro Fessia N8/FLANKER (26 years old, Sale Sharks)


    Nicolas Vergallo SCRUM HALF (24 years old, still playing at home in Jockey Club de Rosario is supposed to be Pichot's replacement)

    Juan Martín Hernández (25), Alberto Vernet Basualdo (25), Eusebio Guiñazu (25), Esteban Lozada (25), Juan Martín Corcho (cork) Fernández Lobbe (25), Patricio Albacete (26), Federico Martin Aramburu (27), Lucas Borges (27) and Ignacio Corleto (29) are going to be there at least for the next RWC. Also Francisco Leonelli (29) lost this RWC injured and will be there for the next one I guess. Probably even F. Contepomi and Rodrigo Roncero (both 30) will be part of that team.

    I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting some names ... and new players will emerge :)
     
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