Blues star Xavier Rush signs Ulster deal

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  3. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    Meh, good player, poor signing if you get what I mean. Ulster have Ferris and Anderson at 6, Pollock and Faloon at 7, and Henry and Diack at 8. Waste of a NIQ spot and means another of those players won't be playing. Why not sign a scrumhalf or a fullback?
     
  4. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Feb 7 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    What's to say they won't/haven't?

    I agree that Rush isn't needed but adding him, along with Johann Muller, gives Ulster an incredibly strong pack. They now have the ability to rotate players and not flog the likes of Ferris and Henry into the ground.

    In my opinion Ulster still need a new scrumhalf and probably a fullback to be competitive at the top end of the Magners League and Heineken Cup.
     
  5. What a waste like Rush is a good player but no better than what they have and fact is they should've invested money more wisely like maybe a Nathan Hines type player that can cover maybe all 5 spots back spots in scrum.

    Its a scrum half where the big money should be spent.
     
  6. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    George Hook made a fantastic point yesterday (for once). Kevin McLaughlin won his first cap yesterday as a reward for his outstanding form for Leinster, but if Rocky had stayed for his optional second season how many Magners League caps would he have, never mind Ireland caps. Same goes for Sexton, If Contepomi had not come off injured in the semi would he have any caps at all now? Ulster have 5 promising young backrow forwards, with Diack a very good player nearly IQ, why play Rush in his place?
     
  7. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Feb 7 2010, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    The argument has some merit to it but he's being selective in what he says. McLaughlin hadn't broken through at Leinster because he was injured most of the time. Everybody knew he had talent (right back to his school days when he was a schools international 2 years running) but he couldn't stay fit. Would McLaughlin be ahead of Elsom if the Aussie was still with Leinster? Absolutely not. Would Leinster have won the Heineken Cup without the Aussie captain? Probably not.

    Bringing Elsom into the Leinster setup benefitted others like Cian Healy, Sean O'Brien, Jamie Heaslip, indeed McLaughlin himself and improved their games. Likewise learning from Felipe Contepomi helped Jonny Sexton and Ian Keatley. John Langford helped Paul O'Connell and Donncha O'Callaghan. Jim Williams helped Denis Leamy.

    Things aren't black and white. Good "imports" will lend experience and leadership to a team. Short term they may block the passage of some Irish qualified players but the long term benefit is better Irish players. Do you think Xavier Rush will impart some knowledge on Chris Henry, Robbie Diack, Willie Faloon, David Pollock, Stephen Ferris and Thomas Anderson? I do. With Ferris, Best and possibly Henry on international duty, Rush will provide leadership to the pack in their absence. There's also the matter of a possible 4 extra games per season against Italian opposition to take into account. Ulster's young backrows won't lose out with the former All Black on their squad.
     
  8. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    Good Signing. I've always liked Rush, and I think for the immediate he will do Ulster some good. The successful clubs right now have loads of leadership on the pitch. Xavier will bring that to Ulster.
     
  9. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    Rush may pass on some knowledge, but it isn't a substitue for gametime. Sean Cronin is a good example of what gametime can do for a good player.
     
  10. RC

    RC Guest

    Wow.
    200k for 2 years?
    That's a little exessive for a player that's due to retire soon, but - and i stress that but - he will be there for every game, he will give 100%, he will cross that gain line, he'll bring experience to the game, he'll teach the newbies so much and he'll be an unofficial captain all round.
    The man is going to be a great signing.
    But 200k?
    Yikes.
     
  11. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Cardiff's loss. Not much gain for Ulster either. Don't see the point. Cardiff are slowly being drained of their great players: Robinson first. Now Rush. WHO NEXT? ROBERTS? JENKINS? WHEN WILL IT END!?
     
  12. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Feb 7 2010, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Cronin is a great example of what extra game time can do, as are Fionn Carr, Jerry Flannery, Bernard Jackman, John Fogarty and Ian Keatley. That's Connacht's role, not Ulster's. Say for example that Johnny Sexton left Leinster to go to Connacht for game time a couple of years ago (due to Felipe Contepomi "blocking" him). Do you think he'd be in a position to start for Ireland now or would he be improving slowly in a below average team out west? I think it'd be the latter. Game time alone isn't good enough unless you're put in position to succeed.

    Ulster are in the business of trying to win trophies. Rush gives them a better chance than some of the kids currently in Ulster's squad. I'd rather his arrival (and that of Johann Muller) helps Ulster win more often and boosts the confidence of players like Darren Cave, Ian Humphreys, Dan Tuohy, Ryan Caldwell, Tom Court, Declan Fitzpatrick, Stephen Ferris and Chris Henry more than giving David Pollock, TJ Anderson and Willie Faloon extra minutes on the pitch will.

    I want to see a successful Ireland team and successful provinces as much as you do. I just feel that the right kind of signing, which Rush could be and Muller definitely is, helps Ireland improve more than giving kids who aren't good enough yet a chance to play. Successful provinces feed into a successful national team.
     
  13. Bluemoon

    Bluemoon Guest

    Cardiff have a fair few back rowers coming through who are welsh and do not require over 150K - becuase I am sure thats what Cardiff offered Xavier. Im thinking Warburton and Pretorious, very physical players and will do a similar job.

    Xavier Rush is an impact player who really can run through brick walls and lead from the front. What Cardiff lost in leadership/experience they saved alot with money. It is frustrating though that we lose X-man and have Norton-Knight for two more years.
     
  14. Good signing on Ulsters behalf, big loss on Cardiff's. However, it will allow Warburton into the starting XV, which is a good thing.
     
  15. Olyy

    Olyy Guest

    £200k? That's a helluva lot of moolah
     
  16. Thingimubob

    Thingimubob Guest

    :( Bad times
    One of my favourite players
     
  17. GJ#1

    GJ#1 Guest

    A player who gambles most of his wages in casino ...
     
  18. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GJ#1 @ Feb 9 2010, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Revelence?
     
  19. GJ#1

    GJ#1 Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Feb 9 2010, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Revelence?
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    Bloke is after a pay packet to help his addiction ... that is all!
     
  20. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind getting 50k extra, despite if they gamble or not.
     
  21. mulldog

    mulldog Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Feb 7 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Definitely agree with this, Ulster have enough players in the back row. This will stop Irish players getting games and if they’re not getting selected they won’t get a call up to the national team, in the long term this will hurt Ireland, this clearly is evident in the current lack of props within the country!!!! I think the provinces should look into restrictions on the amount of foreign based players in their squads.
     
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