bonus points in the HC

Discussion in 'European Champions & Challenge Cup' started by stormmaster1, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. stormmaster1

    stormmaster1 Guest

    I think they're a good way of diferentiating between teams that would otherwise be level on points and helping decide quarter final seeding, but when things are extremely tight (e.g. pool 3) doesn't the team with the best record deserve to go through as group winners (i.e. Ospreys).
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  3. erwanseb

    erwanseb Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stormmaster1 @ Jan 25 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Consider the bonus point as the equivalent of a draw in football, whether you got one point difference (like Clermont in Osprey) or a draw like Osprey vs Leicester is IMO pretty equivalent,it is the scoring system of rugby which makes the draw improbable hence the bonus point requirement. Losing by one point or having a draw is more about luck and circumstances,

    missing a penalty kick and succeeding a conversion = 2pts
    missing a conversion and succeeding a penalty kick = 3pts

    yet it is one miss and one pass in both cases.

    However, I am pretty much against the idea of best second, the best second qualifies more often as a result of weak pool or particular circumstances rather than sheer quality.
    For example, the large score of Northampton against Perpignan which resulted in a bonus point was more about Perpignan being already out. Not saying that Northampton would not have scored this point but the game would certainly had had a totally different flavour should Perpignan had still been on course.

    No disrespect to the Italian clubs, but as usual the two best second emerged form the pool including the Italian clubs.

    2-3 years ago, Clermont and Munster were leveled on points but Munster went through because of head to head results and ended up winning the trophy. Being tied at the top of the pool should take precedence over the number of point to determine the best seconds.

    But overall qualification through best second should be scrapped , it is just pure luck.

    Being first can also be down to luck, both Biarritz and Stade Francais did not play particularly well but were in pretty average pools but credit to them they did the job.

    Clermont, Ospreys Leicester was indeed by far the toughest one but the presence of Viadana boosted the total tally, each team having the maximum of 10pts against them.
  4. An Tarbh

    An Tarbh Guest

    It's actually the first time in a number of seasons where both runners-up have come from the pools with the Italian sides.

    As far as the system being unfair, I'd disagree, the Ospreys were outclassed when they played in Clermont, but that wasn't the case in the first fixture. Same applies for their head to head with Leicester, they denied them a losing bp in the first game and picked one up themselves in the second. As far as I'm concerned this is more than enough to merit them topping the group.

    It's the Ospreys own fault that they couldn't seal the deal at Welford Road when a bp win was there for the taking.
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