Change of scoring system

[sigesige00]

I believe that many consider that the games which are decided by PGs are not entertaining.
So I would like to suggest a change of scoring system.

Try 5
Conversion 3 (now 2)
PG 2 (now 3)
DG 2 (now 3)
Safety 1 (Carryback, being tackled in ingoal)

Could you tell me your opinions?

 

[SelimNiai]

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[TRF_Ezequiel]

You know what would be cool? After a try is being scored, you can opt for a try-conversion. You get the chance to, within 1 phase, score another try and you start 5m from the try-line at the same height of where the try was scored. If you fail, no conversion.

Next, we can merge NFL and rugby and sige will be happy.

 

[Big Ewis]

actually I agree with the:
Try 5
Conversion 3 (now 2)
PG 2 (now 3)
DG 2 (now 3)

Scoring tries should be of a higher value. If a team scores a try, the opponents need only a couple of kicks and they're back in the lead. I don't think that's cool.
When rugby was created, the point was to score a "try" so that they could attempt a conversion and get the 1-pointer out of the whole play. Hence the word "try", as in an attempt to score the conversion kick and get 1 point on the board.
The point of Rugby should be to score tries, and not any tactics around that like many teams do. Some teams aren't really even trying on attack, they're just rucking intensely til they get the penalty.
And plus, for the very sake of aesthetics for the sport for God's sake, encourage a highly offensive game.

Of course that would mean New Zealand would smash everyone by an even bigger margin.

Say what you want fellas, I agree with this. The specific numbers there I don't know, but I appreciate the spirit behind it at very least.
Because a converted try is 8 points, that means you need FOUR penalties to get even....on the other hand, as far-fetched as it seems and however great the gap between a try and a penalty, the point is to encourage tries. Like, score a try and you won't have to worry about kicking 4 penalties...

The point of a team sport is for one team to SCORE OVER THE OTHER. In basketball, that's scoring a basket. Football, you get 1 point for a goal you score. In Rugby, the exact equivalent of that exists: the try. And it's true Rugby has removed itself from that fundamental principle by allowing for a team to simply collect from the boot in stead of, like I said that fundamental principle, *scoring over the other team*.

 

[sigesige00]

And I have another idea about the points of DG. That is different points in accordance with the place from which the ball is kicked.

From within 22m area -- 1 point
From the area between 22m and halfway line -- 2 points
From the area between halfway line and 22m line -- 3 points
From the area between 22m line and goal line -- 4 points
From the ingoal -- 5 points

Will there be a player who can kick a DG from his own ingoal in the next 100 years?

 

[smartcooky]

Try 5
Conversion 3 (now 2)
PG 2 (now 3)
DG 2 (now 3)

This is the first thing I have seen you post that actually makes some sort of sense.

It increases the value of a try without diminshing the importance of goal-kicking

However, this...

Safety 1 (Carryback, being tackled in ingoal)

is another

 

[dullonien]

The problem with upping the value of a try whilst lowering the value of a penalty is that it becomes a lot more alluring for defending teams to give away a penalty when under the cosh instead of conceding a try. So it could actually be counter productive. Of course that could be dealt with by handing out more yellow cards to players deliberately transgressing in the 'red zone'. Still, there needs to be a balance, and I think it's very close atm. Maybe upping the conversion to 3 could work, but I'd keep the value of a penalty at 3 points.

What I do agree with though is lowering the value of a dropped goal to 2 points. Not a huge fan of drop-goals, other to decide very close matches.

 

[sigesige00]

In order to decrease the number of fouls, I suggested the automatic 22m advance system in the case of PK.

 

[LittleGuy]

I find there is really no need to change the scoring. People complain about drop goals but the rate of them is less than one a match anyway, and it's from open play and is a lot more exciting than watching a minute and a half lead up to a penalty in front of the posts.

Penalties need to be kept at the same value for the reason dull brought up and for conversions, I think three points is WAY too much, might lead to some odd situations where teams are desperate to centre the kick. We also might see less spectacular tries to the corner replaced by more pick and go tries to ground under the posts. If anything up the value of the try to 6 and lower the conversion to 1, but I don't think anything needs to be changed.

 

[Big Ewis]

yeh I'd personally like Try=6points, Conversion=2points for a total of 8points.
And I suppose keep the DG and PG at 3 points.
I'd sign that petition.

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

The drop goal is a dying art form. I love drop goals. Obviously, they're not tries, but we shouldn't diminish the value of the drop goal when they're already so far in decline, even if I've seen a few more start of this season, for whatever reason. Keep the scoring system as it is.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

yeh I'd personally like Try=6points, Conversion=2points for a total of 8points.
And I suppose keep the DG and PG at 3 points.
I'd sign that petition.

I don't mind that at all. I hate that an unconverted try can be outscored by two penalties. If a try was increased to 6 points, that would be nullified.

An alternative is to adopt rugby league's scoring system of:
Try = 4 points
Goal = 2 points (conversion or penalty)
Drop goal = 1 point

In such a system, a converted try is worth as much as three successful penalties.

 

[Big Ewis]

The drop goal is a dying art form. I love drop goals. Obviously, they're not tries, but we shouldn't diminish the value of the drop goal when they're already so far in decline, even if I've seen a few more start of this season, for whatever reason. Keep the scoring system as it is.

I agree the DG should remain a 3pointer. It's really the penalties I'd like to see diminished. A Drop Goal still is a team making good ground, tactically allowing for the kicker to setup and aim, it's a form of attack, it requires work at the breakdown and going up the field and *scoring over the opponent*, with real time defense being played as opposed to a comfortable penalty sequence.

And it would also diminish just a little the role of a scrum. I mean, penalties can be acquired in so many different ways, at any point during the match. You can even get a penalty on the very first contact after the tip-off kick. And that's THREE POINTS.
But back to the scrum: if you have a strong scrum and the other team doesn't, that's 80 whole minutes the weaker team has to concede of being screwed in the scrum (or scrummed in the screw, which ever...). You can basically win a match with a big scrum, and the penalties they ultimately entail, and defense - against a team like Australia.
And that is anti-sport like almost because you're utilizing one mere aspect of the game to win the whole match, without ever looking to attack your opponent.
Scrums being an advantage is totally fine, of course. But for it to be the main platform for a side to win is too much.

To me, a try being 5 points (non-converted) and two mere penalty kicks being 6 points is not fair, through the scope of sports in general and that fundamental principle, that a team should attack and score over the opponent to win.
The only way a Rugby side should win through penalties is if they manage to contain their opponents to 1 or no try at all, and collect a bunch of penalties the other side has stupidly and consistently conceded, as punishment. It should be an exception, not a norm. It should be like "oh man, they blew the game with aaaaall those penalties they gave away..."

But when you see a side winning easily when they scored like 1 or no tries and their opponents like 3, I find it's a little unfair and "anti-sport" in nature.

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

I don't want the penalties to be diminished, because that way, you give the defending team all the more reason to commit fouls while preventing the other team to score tries.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I don't want the penalties to be diminished, because that way, you give the defending team all the more reason to commit fouls while preventing the other team to score tries.

I'm just wondering if anybody has stats for this: did penalty offences increase when tries increased in value from 4 to 5 (or from 3 to 4)?

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Well, I cannot find those stats right now, but I feel the ELV's in 08 changed a lot when many rules changed free kicks to penalties.

 

[Big Ewis]

I don't want the penalties to be diminished, because that way, you give the defending team all the more reason to commit fouls while preventing the other team to score tries.

there would be a bit of this, you're right. But either way there is no perfect fit that doesn't pull on one side rather than the other, and I'd rather see *teams score* rather than stack up kicks from the opponents' mistakes.
It's the point of team sports altogether, it's prettier to watch, it makes for a more whole, honest-minded game, it disables any sinuous tactics around the main goal....etc..

 

[SuperEagle]

I believe that many consider that the games which are decided by PGs are not entertaining.
So I would like to suggest a change of scoring system.

Try 5
Conversion 3 (now 2)
PG 2 (now 3)
DG 2 (now 3)
Safety 1 (Carryback, being tackled in ingoal)

Could you tell me your opinions?

No, no, no, no, no!

Seriously, THE most annoying thing about playing rugby is when your team is rampaging forward and have created an overlap and all you need is for the ball to come out of the ruck QUICKLY - then one of the defenders just lies across the ball on the ground to kill it - or comes about 5m offside in the backline to stop your team spraying it wide because they KNOW that the 3pt penalty is less severe that the 7pt try + conversion that you were just about to score.

It ****** me right off.

Knock down the points for a penalty (which, btw are only ever really ever taken if the offence is in the defending team's half) and you'll just get more and more of this cheating behaviour.

Ruins the game.

Leave it as it is.

 

[Superalexmarket]

I propose eliminating DG, PG and conversions; and try values is ​​1 point and only between the goal bars. Just like soccer.

 

[Paul Baylis]

Safety 1 (Carryback, being tackled in ingoal)
Could you tell me your opinions?

That would have been useful for France in the last world cup. If you're out of time, perform long backward passes towards your own goal line, final player stands on goal line and waits for tackle, sending him into the in-goal where safety is thus performed.