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England 2024/25

When looking at a squad I feel most people think you should have a good core of players who are in the 40-80 cap range going into a world cup. You'll then have a couple or a few above that. Then maybe a group between 20-40 and a few below 20.

Currently we have
80+: George (101), Ford (99), Itoje (93)
41-80: Slade (73), Daly (72), Genge (71), T.Curry (62), Stuart (50), M.Smith (44), Earl (41)
21-40: Underhill (40), Steward (36), Lawrence (33), Ewels (30)🤮, Chessum (27), Mitchell (23), Martin (22), Freeman (21),
11-20: Dombrandt (20), Van Poortvliet (18), Dan (17), Cunningham-South (15), Furbank (14), Heyes (12), Baxter (11), Isiekwe (11), F.Smith (11)
1-10: Feyi-Waboso (10), Spencer (8), Sleightholme (8) Rodd (7), Willis (6), Coles (5), Hill (4), Roebuck (4), Dingwall (3), Langdon (2), Davison (2), Quirke (2), Opoku-Fordjour (1), Murley (1)
0: Iyogun, Clark, Kenningham, Pepper, C.Atkinson, S.Atkinson, Beard, Northmore, Ojomoh, Carpenter, Muir

We have 3 games this summer, 4? games in the autumn, 5 games in the 6Ns, another 3? next summer, then 4? more in the autumn, 5 in the final 6Ns and then possibly 3 warm up games, so potentially 27 capped games.

Props look very bare in terms of experience outside of Stuart and Genge. I'd be happy with Heyes and Baxter to accumulate more caps from the bench with some of the younger players possibly knocking on the door if there is an opportunity.
Hooker is a worry, especially if LCD gets crocked again and with George getting older. Dan would have around 40 caps experience if he continues to play regularly, but I don't think he's good enough. I guess Borthwick has chosen Dan over Langdon, but I hope it doesn't come back to bite him.
Locks are also a bit injury dependent. If Chessum and Martin both stay fit for a while then they'll have plenty of experience. If not then it will be falling back on a mixed bag, most of which will be caps off the bench.
Back row seems to be in a good position. Dombrandt's 20 caps feel like a bit of a waste as I don't seem him being a permanent starter. Willis could have over 30 caps by 2027, so hopefully Borthwick sticks with him.
SH: Is a big worry and tbh it goes all the way back to Jones and his refusal to cap anyone outside of Youngs and Care. Mitchell is building nicely and if Van Poortvliet can maintain form and fitness then he could help build some competition. Ideally Spencer would be between at least 20-40 caps under Jones, but it never happened. After those 3 there is then a bit of an issue, especially with Quirke's loss of form and 2 good SH's being picked by Scotland.
FH: Ford is the experienced man, just whether he'll still be in form in 2027. M.Smith in the middle, but he's now being seen as more of a 15. Otherwise F.Smith on 11. He'll have over 30 caps if he plays regularly, but FH is a worry with any injuries.
Centre: We really need Lawrence back, because only Slade and he are capped to any real extent and the next player is Dingwall on 3. Freeman might make the transition, but if so it has to be sooner rather than later. Honestly, Centre is the biggest issue in the squad and we have 4 centres uncapped.
Back 3: We have Daly as a very experienced utility back. Freeman will have plenty of experience unless he switches to centre. Hopefully Furbank keeps his fitness. Steward needs to up his defensive game if he wants to challenge. I feel like if Feyi-Waboso stays fit then he'll probably be a fixture. I'd then be happy with Roebuck as a strong aerial back to fit in where needed. I feel like Sleightholme will miss out when everyone's fit unless Freeman goes centres permanently.

Overall I feel like SH, Hooker and centres have issues with experience. I really hope come the autumn we have minimal injuries because it would be good to start building some consistency after the Lions. I feel if the majority of players can play most of the internationals then actually in terms of caps England will overall be in a good place.
 
A returning Joe Marchant would make a big impact on that group of centres. 27 caps isn't a lot but he would add a lot of quality and experience and would speed up the transition from Slade.
Aye, and we have enough quality wingers now that he wouldn't get wasted in the 11 shirt instead
 
Plus, 27 caps might be low, but he's been to NZ and France and excelled in those environments, as well as at Quins and in a misfiring England team. I'd dare to say he's probably got the most well-rounded experience of anyone we could pick in any position
 
Definitely. He'd also dovetail very nicely with most of the options at 12. No brainer if the Sale rumours are true.
If the Sale rumours are true, could be good for Masai-White.
 
SB has said Burry is back in full training so will be going to Argentina

Denzel Washington Relief GIF
 
I just dont understand teh contnued unwavering commitment to Dan, is he a good player? Yes, in the loose he is great, but he has been consistently in the system for 2 years now and has not improved on his weaknesses, his set piece is still so shaky, I think their is a real argument to just let him go back to club rugby and work on it. Especially when you consider steve seems to want to built the coundation around the set piece...
 
I just dont understand teh contnued unwavering commitment to Dan, is he a good player? Yes, in the loose he is great, but he has been consistently in the system for 2 years now and has not improved on his weaknesses, his set piece is still so shaky, I think their is a real argument to just let him go back to club rugby and work on it. Especially when you consider steve seems to want to built the coundation around the set piece...
It really feels like Borthwick wanted to be seen as investing in young up and coming players and completely backed the wrong horse.
 
Surprised tackle school is running during the off season (though I think in reality I think it's actually online and you just have to send them footage of you practising legal tackles)

I wouldn't take him if he's missing 2/3 games, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tours and plays vs USA
 
Yeah saw that. So it's Roebuck and Another...

I might actually give Murley another chance ..he's a quality prem and European winger, and we need to see if he can take that up a level.

He had a mare v Ireland but I'm sure he's not the first to do that in recent years.
 
Maybe Sleightholme?
I'm not against giving Murley another crack

Slightly nervy that SB might chuck Beard in, just to keep us all on our toes


Edit: didn't realise Sleightholme wasn't in the squad - injured or not picked?
I really like Muir but he's not really one for the future is he - think he and Roebuck are probably too alike to play in the same backline as well, would rather pace on one wing and aerial on the other


Thinking about it I wouldn't be overly surprised to see Cokanasiga called up, but would love to see one of the Tigers two
 
Has Steve Borthwick ever explained why be picked Ollie Hassel-Collins for his first 2 games as England Head coach, then dropped him and never selected him again? What could Borthwick possibly have seen in that 2023 six nations campaign that made him change his mind about OHC? In the absence of any other explanation I can only think it was the painted nails.
 
Maybe Sleightholme?
I'm not against giving Murley another crack

Slightly nervy that SB might chuck Beard in, just to keep us all on our toes


Edit: didn't realise Sleightholme wasn't in the squad - injured or not picked?
I really like Muir but he's not really one for the future is he - think he and Roebuck are probably too alike to play in the same backline as well, would rather pace on one wing and aerial on the other


Thinking about it I wouldn't be overly surprised to see Cokanasiga called up, but would love to see one of the Tigers two
Yeah I think SB is looking at one big(er) winger, one speedster.

So:
Freeman / Roebuck for one wing
Waboso and ?

That's why I suggested we have another look at Murley but Sleighholme would fit that aswell.
The one in best form really.
 

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