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Agree on Lewington he could be special I think. Outside shot at prop from us is Rich Palframan is a beast in the scrum very young and impressed last season. Also Watson number 3 is coming through and is quality and only 18 along with The other Brophy Clews
 

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Lewington should def be a shout. His versatility should certainly be looked at.

TBH props wise England should be set for a while.
 

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I think most people believe that, if everyone reaches their potential, 2019 could be our tournament.
 

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There's still the U18's to potentially come too, by the next world cup they could be between 20 and 22, not exactly grizzled veterans but great players will have begun making a name for themself at that age.
 

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Eh, under what achievements?
Look what he did with the Scottish pack in 8 weeks..... Don't forget he coached Falcons to a premiership as well.

He's just an absolutely quality coach who got 'effed over big time.
 

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Lewington should def be a shout. His versatility should certainly be looked at.

TBH props wise England should be set for a while.
So it was you who jinxed our props for the France game !!!!
 

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Hey, first post in a while, but I couldn´t resist after the warm-up games.

What I would like to see:

A world-class coach (rather than a world-class manager)

An attack coach who comes up with more than one new backs move for each international period.

A world-class 7, which we will have if Armitage comes back to England and we get a world-class coach.

A world-class backrow, which we will have if we get Armitage back and Hughes is brought into the squad - the trick will be who to play at 6, but we have a lot of potentially world-class options there (Burgess, Ewers, Itoje).

A 9 who passes from the base and has a decent kicking game (Cook, Spencer), a running game would be nice too (Simpson, Robson).

A world-class 12, we don´t have one of these at the moment but I think Devoto and Atkinson both have the potential.

There, that´s not much to ask is it?
 

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Don't want or need Hughes.
 

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You can add Armitage to that too Tigs.
 

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If we had a world-class (if you want to dispute it, a European-class) 7 and 8 available, I would agree with you, but we don´t.

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If you like, we can just play Hughes against other teams that would play him, like NZ and Australia.

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Oh, and Wales and France, and Scotland, and Italy...
 

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If we had a world-class (if you want to dispute it, a European-class) 7 and 8 available, I would agree with you, but we don´t.
Billy V and Ben M are both young. I'd back either to be considered world top three at some point.

As for seven, actually having one would be a start, but the issue is more Robshaw being in the way (I wouldn't have it any different (maybe) atm) than any lack of options.

Can anyone tell me any current/recent U18s or 20s that look like future prospects?
 

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I'm somewhat puzzled by the idea that Nathan Hughes is World Class but Vunipola and Morgan aren't.
 

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I guess you missed all the Wasps, Saracens and Gloucester games last season then.

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I like Vunipola, and you could argue he is up there with the best in Europe, but Morgan, no way, his work rate isn´t even international class.

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I think you could say both Vunipola and Hughes have world-class potential, but Vunipola would be world-class in a South African team, and Hughes in a NZ one (after all, he was scouted by Graham Henry).
 

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Binny and Benny are better than Hughes.
I would be happy to never see Hughes in an England shirt, I hope they change the eligibility rulings before he gets called up.
 

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Morgan was Gloucester´s no.4 no. 8 on last season´s form.
 

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Morgan was Gloucester´s no.4 no. 8 on last season´s form.
And obviously you haven't seen his England form when he was fit.
 

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I have, and apart from his charges from the base of the scrum, it was pretty average.
 
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