Euro 2020[1]

[Reiser99]

Gross over generalisation with no statistical basis. Don't be a ***

Yeah, but this Conservative government likes to make laws and follow policies assume all black people the same, so why not give them the same treatment and assume they are all racist.

 

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‘My responsibility’: Gareth Southgate takes blame for shootout selections

Gareth Southgate took the blame for England’s defeat on penalties by Italy in the Euro 2020 final, saying the order of his team’s takers was his call

www.theguardian.com

And utterly predictable how it brings out the racists:

Southgate, PM & FA condemn player abuse

England manager Gareth Southgate says online racist abuse of Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Bukayo Saka is "unforgivable", after Prime Minister Boris Johnson and the FA condemn the social media posts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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That psychic pig was a ****** fraud

He'll be made into sausages and bacon after this. .

 

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Seriously though this England team now need to build towards Qatar next year and future England sides have got make reaching finals a matter of course and give themselves more opportunities to be in a position to win major trophies.

I said before this tournament that it was a disgrace that England had not reached the final of a major tournament in 55 years because of the resources available and it is our national sport. A semi at the last World Cup and final here. It's still massive progress.

But future generations of England players have to be better on the ball. This generation is better than the golden generation of 2000s, which were supposed to win. This and future generations need to be even better. It is a technical thing but noticeable at the highest level. Not too much of gap. But It was noticeable in the second half as England could keep the ball and dictate and just sit back off Italy.

But also need to be in order to try and avoid bloody penalties in future tournaments, and try and win matches in full/ET.

Also not to feel too sorry for themselves. England can win international major tournaments. Just need to keep putting themselves at back end of tournaments regularly. This England side is still pretty young.

 

[ncurd]

Woke and feeling ashamed to be English again....god I ******* hate some of people in this country.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Worrying about this poor psychic pig now
Btw, what is your nickname choice for @Akker Van Der Tigs ? I'm curious

@Die Lekker Bro along with the charity

Feel bad winning this on penos but... Let's go for "Dan Kelly is Irish" and https://www.cancer.ie/ways-to-help/donate/donate

 

[Welsh Exile]

Woke and feeling ashamed to be English again....god I ******* hate some of people in this country.

What's occurring?

 

[General Melchett]

What's occurring?

Racist abuse on the social media accounts of the lads who missed a penalty. Disgusting stuff.

 

[ncurd]

What's occurring?

Where do we start.....

Violence attacks on innocent bystanders
'more interested in off field stuff like taking the knee, feeding children, pride'
Racial abuse because the three who missed the penalty were all PoC.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

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Fine margins Rashford just inches to the right and it's a possibly different story and no one mentions it.

Totally, but fine margins are often the difference between winners and losers at the top level.

Disagree, though I don't want to be too critical. It was clear what was happening before half-time and Southgate needed to adjust the team then either in personal or attitude. He then didn't change anything even when Italy were completely on top. He waited until after the goal. That was too late.

Fair enough.

But Rashford and Sancho wouldn't have had the feel of the ball / been properly warmed up and definitely wrong to have Saka on the final pen where the pressure was likely to have been magnified. He should have been shielded from that - he's a teenager and never scored a pen in the Prem (if he's even taken one). With 46 caps and a few pens in the Prem surely Rashford would have made more sense. Arguably Kane should have been left until later too when the pressure was heightened.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Where do we start.....

Violence attacks on innocent bystanders
'more interested in off field stuff like taking the knee, feeding children, pride'
Racial abuse because the three who missed the penalty were all PoC.

I wouldn't feel ashamed of being English. These people are just scummy people. All countries have scummy people. The sad thing about it is that it appears this minority of idiots are getting bigger.

It's all so predictable, sadly.

 

[ncurd]

But Rashford and Sancho wouldn't have had the feel of the ball / been properly warmed up and definitely wrong to have Saka on the final pen where the pressure was likely to have been magnified. He should have been shielded from that - he's a teenager and never scored a pen in the Prem (if he's even taken one). With 46 caps and a few pens in the Prem surely Rashford would have made more sense. Arguably Kane should have been left until later too when the pressure was heightened.

I always find it weird in a psychology of a penalty shootout you let you best guy go first. Surely you want him 3rd which is latest he can take one and still be guaranteed a shot but it also be crucial.

From there it get a bit complicated but I'd suggest stacking your worst guys the top and your better ones at the end. If you don't score three penalties your not going to win either way and I doubt many don't go the full 5.

Agree Saka shouldn't of been taking the last but I'm sure there was a huge a mount of planning behind it. If there is anyone else in the world know the pressure of taking the final penalty its Southgate.

The sub are complicated because your completely ******* the defence but also you need those guys on to get a touch of the ball. Ideally they'd go out to a training ground and warm up with a ball for the first 15 mins of extra time.

 

[ncurd]

I wouldn't feel ashamed of being English. These people are just scummy people. All countries have scummy people. The sad thing about it is that it appears this minority of idiots are getting bigger.

It's all so predictable, sadly.

Ah but this isn't the first instance of us not covering ourselves in glory this past decade and its not just sport related. Just look at the people we put in charge.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Ah but this isn't the first instance of us not covering ourselves in glory this past decade and its not just sport related. Just look at the people we put in charge.

Yeah, you're right. It is a bit ****.

Oh well. Nice cheery way to start the week. Where's the Valium?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I thought Rashford would slot his, he just missed, it happens. The order afterwards was a bit nuts though, Sancho has to walk up straight after seeing the other player brought on specifically for pens missed, that has to be in your head and then a 19 year old non specialist is a mad choice for 5. Would have backed Grealish ahead of the last two also unless he didn't want to take one. Who knows really, it's a pressure environment no one who hasn't done it can relate to, Jorginho had an 87% conversion rate, is a specialist and totally rushed his to miss. You can prepare all you want but at best you'll shift the advantage in your favour by a percentage or two, still a lottery.

2022 will be interesting for both teams. As finals winners go Italy didn't really have any great midfield or forward players and will likely have to replace their CBs, this was last chance saloon for them and I don't see them making big noise in Qatar.

Alluding to what @The_Blindside said England probably need to find a more technical midfield player, Italy and even Denmark for a while benefited from Rice and Phillips not being able to keep the ball past their own halfway line. Also, after their last two runs the challenge will be not going stale or running out of steam, these things are draining and winners and finalists often struggle to back it up over the next 2-4 years.

I reckon it'll be the next Euros before either of these teams make a last four, not that a regroup is anything to worry about with the young quality players they both have.

 

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Totally, but fine margins are often the difference between winners and losers at the top level.




Fair enough.

But Rashford and Sancho wouldn't have had the feel of the ball / been properly warmed up and definitely wrong to have Saka on the final pen where the pressure was likely to have been magnified. He should have been shielded from that - he's a teenager and never scored a pen in the Prem (if he's even taken one). With 46 caps and a few pens in the Prem surely Rashford would have made more sense. Arguably Kane should have been left until later too when the pressure was heightened.

Per Guardian article above I think the penalty takers were decided well before. Rightly or wrongly.

Still, there must be a science to penalty kicks. Areas of the goal penalty takers have a higher degree of scoring with X amount of force of kick. And each player in the squad able and know beforehand where they are going to place it etc.

We have been at the wrong end of too many now and it's just absolutely gut wrenching each time we lose.

 

[General Melchett]

All ifs buts and maybes now. Can you imagine the uproar if he'd left Kyle Walker and Jordan Henderson on and both had missed or if he'd made the subs earlier and England lost a goal late on due to losing their defensive shape? I'm pretty sure this would all have been decided and agreed with the players in advance based on how confident they were in taking a penalty and so for Southgate to abandon that and go with a Plan B at the last minute would have created doubt amongst the players.

Saka taking the fifth one was the one that surprised me but from what I hear he's a very confident lad and Sterling is not known for taking penalties. It's a harsh way to lose a final but hopefully will give them the hunger to bounce back in Qatar.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

It's depressing seeing how much this country has regressed.
Crazy how much influence America has had in it really.

I struggle to see how things can be fixed.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Per Guardian article above I think the penalty takers were decided well before. Rightly or wrongly.

Still, there must be a science to penalty kicks. Areas of the goal penalty takers have a higher degree of scoring with X amount of force of kick. And each player in the squad able and know beforehand where they are going to place it etc.

We have been at the wrong end of too many now and it's just absolutely gut wrenching each time we lose.

In the ones I can remember England losing:

Ricardo v James
Ricardo v Robinson
Buffon v Hart
Donnarumma v Pickford

Of those match ups James v Ricardo might be fairly even, that one went deep into sudden death and even then Ricardo was a bit of a penalty specialist. For the rest England had the worse keeper. Bonucci's penalty yesterday showed the advantage Italy had, Donnarumma could have gotten his hand on that but it was too high for Pickford, Italy's takers definitely had a bigger target.

 

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In the ones I can remember England losing:

Ricardo v James
Ricardo v Robinson
Buffon v Hart
Donnarumma v Pickford

Of those match ups James v Ricardo might be fairly even, that one went deep into sudden death and even then Ricardo was a bit of a penalty specialist. For the rest England had the worse keeper. Bonucci's penalty yesterday showed the advantage Italy had, Donnarumma could have gotten his hand on that but it was too high for Pickford, Italy's takers definitely had a bigger target.

Seaman and Shilton weren't that great at stopping penalties either IIRC.

But at least Pickford save two last night.