Maul collapse allowed

[alexrugby]

Hi everybody and sorry for grammar mistakes in advance

Today was the first time I went to rugby stadium and saw the new rules' effect on a level of play

I remember the collapsing of Maul was "penaltied" in past

But recently this rule changed and what I saw here in Tbilisi this is TERRIBLE

How do you think is it OK to collapse every maul which builds up on arena???? :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:

 

[Flux]

I don't like the rule, I think it has the potential to be quite dangerous and can destroy an attack quite easily.

 

[alexrugby]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ Feb 15 2009, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I don't like the rule, I think it has the potential to be quite dangerous and can destroy an attack quite easily.[/b]

Agree bro,, this is what I saw today Our guys couldn't make any normal Maul attack against Portugal

Who despite my great respect to them appeared better maul crashers than makers

And this overgrew into very stupid and unimpressive rugby boom where even no ruck was formed normally

I dislike this rule very much, it has really swept away the great charm of Maul play of rugby from arenas

This terrible rule gives you almost no opportunity to "Tank" your opposer by a Good Maul

 

[QLD]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ Feb 15 2009, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I don't like the rule, I think it has the potential to be quite dangerous and can destroy an attack quite easily.[/b]

Agreed.
Disgraceful rule, worst one in the ELVS.

 

[QLD]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeksoRugby @ Feb 15 2009, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hi everybody and sorry for grammar mistakes in advance [/b]

No grammar mistakes from you Lekso.
You speak fantastic English :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

 

[alexrugby]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dale @ Feb 15 2009, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ Feb 15 2009, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't like the rule, I think it has the potential to be quite dangerous and can destroy an attack quite easily.[/b]

Agreed.
Disgraceful rule, worst one in the ELVS.
[/b][/quote]

And what is very unpleasant to remind is the fact that Georgian scrum almost trampled under feet Portugese one today

We have won all of our scrums and 99% of Portugese, but lack of Maul made a great problems for us, and especially because we are playing some "muscle" rugby
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[getofmeland]

The problem with the Maul is it is not formed like a scrum in a manufactured manner, A Maul is more of players binding on at every possible position, this causes issues because there is no real structure to the maul, when you start to allow teams to collapse the mauls, we are gonna experience sooner rather than later a serious neck injury/spinal injury due to this, if not a death.

This is one rule which really needs to be stopped asap, before something horrific happens, it does not help the game either, if the Maul is moving forward it is still effective attacking play...

There is only one reason I can think of why this was brought into the ELV's and that's due to England's Rolling Maul in the 2003/2007 World Cup being far too effective for the Australian Rugby Union!

 

[monkeypigeon]

and as Bruan Moore pointed out, the Maul was a great way of pullinf forwards away from the middle of the feild opening up space for the backs to run without running into a stupid gangly second row who isnt quite sure what he's doing.

So surely this rule goes against the whole idea of the ELVs making rugby a more positive attacking game.

 

[alexrugby]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Feb 15 2009, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

and as Bruan Moore pointed out, the Maul was a great way of pullinf forwards away from the middle of the feild opening up space for the backs to run without running into a stupid gangly second row who isnt quite sure what he's doing.

So surely this rule goes against the whole idea of the ELVs making rugby a more positive attacking game.[/b]

Yeaah It's a Sin to allow collapsing the offensive trick

I agree bro, even if Maul can't move still it is great opportunity to handle offense

But this rule now really comes across this old tradition of Rugby and I think it must be stopped

I have seen Maul-crashers yesterday and I saw threat of "Maul extinction"

Even normal Ruck can not be formed after the maul is collapsed

 

[jawmalawm24]

Collapsing Maul sux it's takes alot of the Forwards play out of a game and doesn't really give them other opportunities to use their skills. A good rolling more is awesome to see but properly stopping one is pretty impressive too. If players are allowed to keep collapsing the maul there it just serves no purpose in the game.

Get rid of it don't know why the heck they'd allow players to collapse a maul it has alot of potential to be very very dangerous especially when you have 5-8 players binded together pushing and then someone could be under them and get crushed.

 

[MunsterMan]

This new rule would be a lot be a lot easier to take if it was enforced properly. You can only collapse a maul by pulling an opposition player down between the shoulders and hips, yet in every second game an illegal collapse of the maul goes unpunished.

Go back to last years laws, but keep the 5m off the back of the scrum and the stay on your feet at the breakdown law.

 

[monkeypigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Feb 14 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

This new rule would be a lot be a lot easier to take if it was enforced properly. You can only collapse a maul by pulling an opposition player down between the shoulders and hips, yet in every second game an illegal collapse of the maul goes unpunished.

Go back to last years laws, but keep the 5m off the back of the scrum and the stay on your feet at the breakdown law.[/b]

Stay on your feet at the breakdown was always a law it's just the refs were told to enforce it more at the start of this rugby season.

Ad I don't like the new overly strict enorcing of it. If the attacking team gets players to the ruck to keep it secured and the defending team put nobody in there's noone for the attacking player to bind to so they go off their feet and that's punishing the attacking team because the defence is lazy. So you get to the point where the team that recieves the ball is afraid to attack for fear of getting pinged and it contributes to the kicking thing that's always happening.

I admit that they need to enforce it more than they did before but some rfs are being over stringent.


Like I've aleady said the Maul ELV is daft.

 

[feicarsinn]

the ruel is here to stay i think but the maul is still alive in the ireland france match i remember ireland starting several effective mauls that gained serious yardage. i do fear that at a lower standard it may undermine a serious part of rugby union but the ability to adapt is in every team as munster have proved tghis year, still remaining a force despite losing one of the major facets of their game

 

[melon]

I hate to say it, but it will take a broken neck before they review the maul collapsing law.

It forces teams to become more dangerous because they now discuss minor tactics on how to bring them down... We hate to have it done to ourselves but on the field its a matter of survival (so to speak) and you have to give as much as you get and try to get the upper hand. Being dangerous is forced upon us.

 

[Woldog]

Collapsing a maul can also be quite useful, as teams then have the chance to decide when and where to play the ball.

 

[soto14]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ Feb 14 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I don't like the rule, I think it has the potential to be quite dangerous and can destroy an attack quite easily.[/b]

Yeah, I don´t like it at all, either. Also, the Maul is a powerful resource for some teams

 

[Flux]

I also don't understand why they even decided to make the rule in the first place. I can understand more free kicks because it's just giving the game more flow without changing things too much. But being allowed to collapse mauls is just destroying something that makes rugby rugby. It's almost like getting rid of rucking, except it's more dangerous.

I just can't even get my head around how stupid the rule is.

 

[alexrugby]

Maul was collapsed not from hip to shoulders yesterday, instead Portugese players were stretching jerseys of ours from neck :mellow: :mellow: :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:

And agree bro in that: until somebody fractures his neck this rule must be stopped, because collapsed maul was something like a bindle of players

This is terrible rule I think

 

[Prestwick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeksoRugby @ Feb 14 2009, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hi everybody and sorry for grammar mistakes in advance

Today was the first time I went to rugby stadium and saw the new rules' effect on a level of play

I remember the collapsing of Maul was "penaltied" in past

But recently this rule changed and what I saw here in Tbilisi this is TERRIBLE

How do you think is it OK to collapse every maul which builds up on arena???? :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:[/b]

SEE! SEE WHAT I SAID MONTHS BACK? WHAT DID I SAY? WHAT. DID. I. SAY!

One or two of the ELVs, especially the maul collapse rule, will go down very badly in countries where having a brawl, being large, mean and bald and rugby usually go hand in hand. But nobody listened everyone was all "aw, everyone will love these rules" and yes, some or most of the ELVs people have liked but one or two have gone down like a feckin' broken elevator with the likes of Georgia, Romania and Italy.

 

[alexrugby]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Prestwick says:::

SEE! SEE WHAT I SAID MONTHS BACK? WHAT DID I SAY? WHAT. DID. I. SAY!

One or two of the ELVs, especially the maul collapse rule, will go down very badly in countries where having a brawl, being large, mean and bald and rugby usually go hand in hand. But nobody listened everyone was all "aw, everyone will love these rules" and yes, some or most of the ELVs people have liked but one or two have gone down like a feckin' broken elevator with the likes of Georgia, Romania and Italy.[/b]

Despite I do not remember your mind about these rules Prest I agree you

And even if rugby in some countries is not brawl, being large, mean and bald and rugby go hand in hand- Maul is very useful for these teams too

Maul is like a Tank which will benefit you if you can handle it and are skillful in using it doesn't matter what kind of rugby you play

So experiments in this field I think will fail, as it failed yesterday on Dinamo Stadium Arena