• Help Support The Rugby Forum :

Official All Blacks Squad for Iveco Series

Here's an idea for carlosisgod a.k.a bjok, SUPPORT YOUR OWN COUNTRIES. Hard I know, when where-ever is it ur from has a shite team and u cant help but **** off over another national team from somewhere u aren't even from, get a grip.
 
I'm from Singapore but I grew up on an All BLack diet. What the f*uck do you have against people who don;t have a top level team to support?
 
MLegg; *edit* , doesn't mean you have to doubt others' parentage. I'm as Kiwi as Fred Dagg, but I'm pleased to be out of the country making real money *edit yet again*.
Actually after being out of the country for 10 years now, I have met rugby fans from all over the world and they are fairly much all in agreement about NZ rugby; great to watch, exciting attacking players, but can't handle the pressure because there are too many Pacific Islanders in the team. The problem is Kiwi rugby supporters and administrators have their heads too far up their Kiwi arses to see it. Just ask Robbie why he has a 4/11 - 5/10 mix. *edit again*

edited by woosaah
 
Here's an idea for carlosisgod a.k.a bjok, SUPPORT YOUR OWN COUNTRIES. Hard I know, when where-ever is it ur from has a shite team and u cant help but **** off over another national team from somewhere u aren't even from, get a grip.[/b]

:toss:

Judging from the standard of your English you aren't a native speaker. Do you support the ABs?? Shouldn't you be taking your own advice and be supporting Manu Samoa or something?
 
I might actually do something crazy and post my opinion on the All Blacks squad....



Props: as expected - Woodcock will start at loose head, with Afoa and Sommerville fighting for the other spot - would like to see Afoa given the start, but would be happy with Sommerville.



Hookers: Again as expected - on form Hore would have to start, with Mealamu on the bench, but again it doesn't really matter either way to me.



Locks: Thorn and Williams are there, but surprised to see Boric taken over Donnelly. Boric is certainly good at lineout time, but seems to lack the bulk of Donnelly - will be interesting to see how Boric goes at this level...



Loosies: McCaw and So'oialo are there as would be expected. Kaino in my opinion has been the form New Zealand 6 of the competition (just ahead of Read) and his strong ball running complements McCaw and So'oialo in the loose forwards. Lauaki chosen as the backup 8 is no surprise, as when he is fit and on form he is a devastating ball-runner. His selection indicates that Kaino will be used primarily as a 6 - I had thought initially that Kaino would be selected as the backup 8 making room for Read in the squad. Adam Thomson is the bolter in the squad, taking the Masoe role of backup 6 and 7 (and 8 for Masoe). Not yet convinced about his selection over other utility players e.g Messem or Masoe or a specialist 7 (Braid), but time will tell... As for the omission of Read I'm not really surprised - his game is similar to that of a young Reuban Thornes - does the basics very well with a very high work rate. So'oialo has similar attributes so I don't think that they fit well into a loose trio together - If Read is selected they would be better to go with a more dynamic 8 (Lauaki, Tuiali'i et al.)



Halfbacks: No surprises - Cowan just doesn't set the backline going the same way Ellis or Leonard can. Ellis will likely start with Leonard on the bench



First-Fives: No surprise



Mid-field: No surprise - Nonu the only specialist 12 deserves his spot, Brett's exclusion from the Crusaders lineup over the last few weeks certainly would have cost him (maybe if he learns to tackle he might be able to make that Crusaders lineup again...). Kahui and Smith deserve there places - Laulala played his way out of contention in the last few weeks.



Wings: again no surprises - Personally would have liked to see Masaga, but his time will come. Sivivatu's experience will see him start on on wing, while its a toss-up between Wulf, Tuitavake and Muliana for the other wing



Fullback: no surprises. close call who will start - perhaps both will start with Mils playing on the wing (or even centre...)





Apologies for going off-topic like this ;)
 
No Darkman; not a Nazi, don't hate PI's (as long as they stay away from my daughter); just realise that you need an appropriate mix of 'talent' in a rugby team.
I don't doubt that Polynesians are generally bigger, faster and have better steps; but I also don't doubt that what they make up in those areas they lack in kicking, catching, passing and even more crucially general rugby nous and decision making especially in pressure situations. That's not racism that's realism!!
 
<div class='quotemain'> Kieran Read was absolutely robbed. There is no other way to say it. Not only was he the best 6 in the country this year, but he made like what 23 tackles in the super 14 final?! Why wouldn't you select a player who does it all and steps up in the clutch when it all matters? I don't get it at all.

To be fully honest, this is the weakest All Black line up put out in a long, long time. [/b]

1998 was worse.

And with Read it came down between Kaino and Read - Kaino probably got the nod because he is better in the line out, has played at the level in the past and has been in form for the last 2 years. Kaino also offers more in the line out.
[/b][/quote]

Well there you go, worst team put out on paper in a decade.

Look, I just feel like you can't ignore Read. He's Reuben Thorne on crack. He does way more in the open field and with the ball in hand. If I had to select a new test cap in the backrow it would not be Thompson it would be Read.
 
cleaned up this topic a bit... if i missed anythign let me know.

please dont go off topic and start insulting people.

i am sure i missed something...

*on topic*

i like this squad, pretty close to what i would have picked, instead i would have had read in there instead, but i am pretty biased to Canterbury :)
 
NEW ZEALAND: 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Anthony Tuitavake, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis; 8 Jerome Kaino, 7 Richie McCaw ©, 6 Rodney So'oialo, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 John Afoa, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Neemia Tialata. Reserves: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 John Schwalger, 18 Anthony Boric, 19 Adam Thomson, 20 Jimmy Cowan, 21 Stephen Donald, 22 Leon MacDonald.

Team v Ireland.

Mils - OK (McD or Mils....same dif really)

Tuitavake - Give him go. But can't see him being one of he 'great' All Blacks myself.

Conman Smith, Makeup boy - don't rate either of them but probably makes sense to have a partneship that know each other in the middle.

Sivi - Often lazy but tends to step up when the AB shirt is on.

Carter - He's such a star that I think I'd go down on him.

Ellis - makes sense with Carter at 1st 5.

Kaino - How many games did he play at number 8 for the Blues this season? Soialo - How many games did he play at 6 for the Canes this season? This doesn't make sense to me. Why not play them in position.

Thorne/Williams - makes sense to have the partneship and the experience there.

Afoa - Blues front row was pretty strong this year

Whore - no complaints there

Tialata - only covering for Woodcock. Just hope he doesn't try and strangle Richie at the bottom of a ruck.


Go Ireland!!!
 
NEW ZEALAND: 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Anthony Tuitavake, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis; 8 Jerome Kaino, 7 Richie McCaw ©, 6 Rodney So'oialo, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 John Afoa, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Neemia Tialata. Reserves: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 John Schwalger, 18 Anthony Boric, 19 Adam Thomson, 20 Jimmy Cowan, 21 Stephen Donald, 22 Leon MacDonald.

Team v Ireland.

Mils - OK (McD or Mils....same dif really)

Tuitavake - Give him go. But can't see him being one of he 'great' All Blacks myself.

Conman Smith, Makeup boy - don't rate either of them but probably makes sense to have a partneship that know each other in the middle.

Sivi - Often lazy but tends to step up when the AB shirt is on.

Carter - He's such a star that I think I'd go down on him.

Ellis - makes sense with Carter at 1st 5.

Kaino - How many games did he play at number 8 for the Blues this season? Soialo - How many games did he play at 6 for the Canes this season? This doesn't make sense to me. Why not play them in position.

Thorne/Williams - makes sense to have the partneship and the experience there.

Afoa - Blues front row was pretty strong this year

Whore - no complaints there

Tialata - only covering for Woodcock. Just hope he doesn't try and strangle Richie at the bottom of a ruck.


Go Ireland!!!
[/b]

Lol. What a nob.

Who, seriously would you have in at center out of anyone in NZ rather than the 2 listed? At least your right about the 6/8 selection.

Should be: 6. Read, 7. McCaw, 8. So'oialo
 
Kahui.

But he's injured :(

I imagine that if the game isn't too close Donald will come on at 10 and Carter will shift out to 12.
 
Lol. What a nob.

Who, seriously would you have in at center out of anyone in NZ rather than the 2 listed? At least your right about the 6/8 selection.

Should be: 6. Read, 7. McCaw, 8. So'oialo[/b]

WC - I think we've been over this before. Conman is just rubbish. Hasn't done anything in the AB shirt, and does sweet FA for the canes. This really is a problem position. I'm sure they will play Kahui when he is fit. He has more potential than Conman who has had so may chances and has yet to prove anything apart from the fact he is crap. Even playing Mils at centre or Tuativake would have been a better option I reckon.

As for makeup boy. Well there ain't much choice there. Guess he is the best we have got now that we have lost the sublime skills and rugby brain of one Aaron Mauger. Question is, when and if Nonu craps out, who can they play there? Make Tuativake a 2nd 5?? Put carter at 2nd 5 and make donald 1st 5?? Or even better, bring in Tim Bateman.

Kahui.

But he's injured

I imagine that if the game isn't too close Donald will come on at 10 and Carter will shift out to 12.[/b]

Just read that after I posted. I agree Chiefs fan
 
Lol. What a nob.

Who, seriously would you have in at center out of anyone in NZ rather than the 2 listed? At least your right about the 6/8 selection.

Should be: 6. Read, 7. McCaw, 8. So'oialo[/b]

WC - I think we've been over this before. Conman is just rubbish. Hasn't done anything in the AB shirt, and does sweet FA for the canes. This really is a problem position. I'm sure they will play Kahui when he is fit. He has more potential than Conman who has had so may chances and has yet to prove anything apart from the fact he is crap. Even playing Mils at centre or Tuativake would have been a better option I reckon.

As for makeup boy. Well there ain't much choice there. Guess he is the best we have got now that we have lost the sublime skills and rugby brain of one Aaron Mauger. Question is, when and if Nonu craps out, who can they play there? Make Tuativake a 2nd 5?? Put carter at 2nd 5 and make donald 1st 5?? Or even better, bring in Tim Bateman.
[/b]

Tim Bateman, now there's an idea. Putting aside the fact he was an old class mate of mine and is a decent guy, I reckon he'd cope pretty damn well.
 
WTF 8 :mamba:s in the starting lineup. Is that some sort of sad record?
Robbie will be licking his lips, even though it seems quite obvious he's not particularly partial to
coconuts.gif
 
Crusaders fans are dominating this forum aren't they, only they would suggest Tim Bateman after a solitary season in Super 14 producing solid but hardly outstanding performances.

Nonu breaks the line more than any other player in a New Zealand team, he has improved defensively and is now gaining the ability to pass, he will be a dangerous number 12.

Conrad is what New Zealand has been missing for years at number 13. While he doesn't break the line at every opportunity he finds gaps, and perhaps even more importantly, he does the things that people don't see. He covers the defensive line when the opposition makes a line break. His positional play is outstanding, and he is a clever cookie. Something which has been lacking in our backline since Aaron Mauger left. Carter through all his outstanding talent has not shown organisational skills as the no. 10 should. Conrad Smith has.

Unfortunately, as the case with Wayne Smith, the men from down south will look for any reason to chuck in a Crusader to any position or job vacancy available. It certainly shows loyalty, but maybe also naivety.

... look at Andrew Ellis going to the World Cup
 
ease up with that **** bjok, as i said before. you can't just a player on the fact they wear a gold earring and have a bone on their head.

it's just not right... you should judge a player on playing ability
 
Crusaders fans are dominating this forum aren't they, only they would suggest Tim Bateman after a solitary season in Super 14 producing solid but hardly outstanding performances.

Nonu breaks the line more than any other player in a New Zealand team, he has improved defensively and is now gaining the ability to pass, he will be a dangerous number 12.

Conrad is what New Zealand has been missing for years at number 13. While he doesn't break the line at every opportunity he finds gaps, and perhaps even more importantly, he does the things that people don't see. He covers the defensive line when the opposition makes a line break. His positional play is outstanding, and he is a clever cookie. Something which has been lacking in our backline since Aaron Mauger left. Carter through all his outstanding talent has not shown organisational skills as the no. 10 should. Conrad Smith has.

Unfortunately, as the case with Wayne Smith, the men from down south will look for any reason to chuck in a Crusader to any position or job vacancy available. It certainly shows loyalty, but maybe also naivety.

... look at Andrew Ellis going to the World Cup
[/b]

Any Crusader? The fact Bateman nudged the so called "next big thing in NZ rugby" out of the starting line up in the final rounds certainly says something. In those few games alone he looked more solid than Brett ever did.
 
<div class='quotemain'>
Crusaders fans are dominating this forum aren't they, only they would suggest Tim Bateman after a solitary season in Super 14 producing solid but hardly outstanding performances.

Nonu breaks the line more than any other player in a New Zealand team, he has improved defensively and is now gaining the ability to pass, he will be a dangerous number 12.

Conrad is what New Zealand has been missing for years at number 13. While he doesn't break the line at every opportunity he finds gaps, and perhaps even more importantly, he does the things that people don't see. He covers the defensive line when the opposition makes a line break. His positional play is outstanding, and he is a clever cookie. Something which has been lacking in our backline since Aaron Mauger left. Carter through all his outstanding talent has not shown organisational skills as the no. 10 should. Conrad Smith has.

Unfortunately, as the case with Wayne Smith, the men from down south will look for any reason to chuck in a Crusader to any position or job vacancy available. It certainly shows loyalty, but maybe also naivety.

... look at Andrew Ellis going to the World Cup
[/b]

Any Crusader? The fact Bateman nudged the so called "next big thing in NZ rugby" out of the starting line up in the final rounds certainly says something. In those few games alone he looked more solid than Brett ever did.
[/b][/quote]

so we just chuck him into the AB's? like I said naivety, maybe give him a couple of seasons to prove himself, noone is an All Black after a few games. Tuitavake would seem like the smartest second choice anyway, as he continues to perform year after year.
 
so we just chuck him into the AB's? like I said naivety, maybe give him a couple of seasons to prove himself, noone is an All Black after a few games. Tuitavake would seem like the smartest second choice anyway, as he continues to perform year after year.
[/b]

I didn't mean throw him into the AB's right now, I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear. I just meant I'm pretty sure he'd do just as well as any other new no. 12's coming into the AB's (ie. Brett).

Naivety goes to the Auckland fan boys who thought it was a good idea to put Toeava in, who had less experience at the time than Bateman has now (two Super 14 campaigns although minimal playing time, still more than "the ice man").
 
I mentioned Bateman in an earlier post. Maybe I was a bit too hasty in saying he should be an All Black. . . We'll have to see how Nonu goes. But I don't think we can really judge him on performances against Ireland and England. Games v Oz and South Africa will give us a better idea.

As for the Conman....I still think he's crap and they will put Kahui in when he is fit. Conman has got a lot to prove. I gotta admit that Conman is clever though.....he somehow continues to pull the wool over the selectors' eyes even though he's crap. That is very clever.

Wairarapa Cullen - I agree with you about Ice. Never has there been such a useless player to wear the black shirt. He could never hold on to the damm ball!! Maybe he'll be better in the future......if he ever gets another chance that is.

ease up with that **** bjok, as i said before. you can't just a player on the fact they wear a gold earring and have a bone on their head.

it's just not right... you should judge a player on playing ability[/b]

:bravo: Good call Insane Asylum. But what if they have got ability and also and earring and a bone on their head? If they play, wouldn't it be easy for the opposition to hurt him by pulling his earring or even worse.....pulling off his bone!!!
 

Latest posts

Top