PEDs in rugby

[Tooting Carmen]

I mean we know that the WRU gave PEDs to Rhys Webb. Don't know why they wouldn't give them to Gareth Davies too.

And Webb certainly looks less OTT than Davies.

 

[Tooting Carmen]

Interestingly, one other industry where the men have become suspiciously musclebound in recent years is Bollywood. I wonder what goes on there?

 

[Deleted member 53362]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68019295
I thought he was the one sticking it in the team nutritionist not the other way around

Shocked a Bok has been busted....no I am

 

[TRF_Olyy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-u...ars-chris-vui-positive-drugs-test-suspension/
Classic tainted supplement defence

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-u...ars-chris-vui-positive-drugs-test-suspension/
Classic tainted supplement defence

I can’t click on that link doesn’t work for some reason.

In his defence though, I often find steroids have accidentally been added to my protein powder. Must happen all time

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Looks like every article about it has been binned - just googled and everything goes to an error page,
Wonder if lawyers got involved if he's still actively fighting it

 

[big ginger 8]

It's no wonder every player blames a tainted supplement and while it is very easy to be sceptical it has been proven to be correct in the past. It's why every pro athlete should keep a sample of every supplement they use.

 

[dirty harry]

It's no wonder every player blames a tainted supplement and while it is very easy to be sceptical it has been proven to be correct in the past. It's why every pro athlete should keep a sample of every supplement they use.

Why would they lol theyll lose the ability to defend themselves with it if they have the evidence to disprove their argument hahaha

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Still find it amazing that people get banned for 4 years in Rugby but only 6 months to a year in boxing

 

[big ginger 8]

Why would they lol theyll lose the ability to defend themselves with it if they have the evidence to disprove their argument hahaha

Because without evidence it doesn't work as a defence against the actual anti-doping agencies and it clearly doesn't work in the court if public opinion.

 

[miccloarch]

Shocked a Bok has been busted....no I am

TBF Dyantyi got a 4 year ban in 2019 as well.

He was one of the in-form wingers in world rugby at the time too, viscous side step.

 

[dirty harry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/czk094lev9ko
Weird this, Webb has been working in schools for the last year in Wales, and has already moved to Dubai to start a new job outside of rugby.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/springboks-world-cup-winners-career-in-tatters-ahead-of-doping-ban

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Change my mind:

PEDs are state sponsored In South Africa for rugby players.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/sp...inner-learns-his-fate-after-failed-drugs-test
Three years

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Change my mind:

PEDs are state sponsored In South Africa for rugby players.

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/sp...inner-learns-his-fate-after-failed-drugs-test
Three years

Terrible attempt Olyy.

 

[Horacito]

Change my mind:

PEDs are state sponsored In South Africa for rugby players.

I'm surprised this is news to anyone. I've known several guys who played in relevant rugby clubs in SA and would become springbocks (one of them knew Brian Habana for a long time), and they all tell the same story: when they were 16-17, they came back with super natural strenght after a summer. After that, they had become unreachable to any normal kid.
Same story I heard from a guy who played in the stormers' academy and shared team with many current bokke

I am personally very pro PEDs, especially the using them the smart way like SA: they help selected players reach a certain bodyweight when they're young and then keep it, which I would think requires having a good response to anabolic steroids but any gifted kid in his late twins is going to be bursting with testosterone so... I also don't think they use very agressive steroids, I don't think they use anavar or deca or GH, and of course tren, probably peptides or something else
today, thre's such a wide arrange of stuff you can get which is mind-boggling. I would prefer it to be regulated instead of what they have in England ATM, where everyone is cruising and pumping insane amounts of steroids at 17

steroid epidemic in england

I think SA probably does a small base of test and over that they add some other stuff, probably mild, and when they reach a certain muscularity and their body gets used to it, they get them off forever, suplementing mildly for most of their careers. Thatt should be immmensely helpful to big guys who need muscle, loads of it, to maintain their bone and connective tissue healthy well into their 30's

in other words, I really admire their program, every SA player has a great body and they are super athletes

long live the bokke

I would also think most of the top unions run similar programs
hell, in England they don't even need to tell the kids to get started, they do it on their own hahahaha
anyway, peace

 

[Rugbyfan564]

When will England be awarded the 2019 trophy with how tainted South Africa's win is.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

When will England be awarded the 2019 trophy with how tainted South Africa's win is.

And the 2007 one with the try that was ridiculously not awarded!

 

[Deleted member 53362]

I'm surprised this is news to anyone. I've known several guys who played in relevant rugby clubs in SA and would become springbocks (one of them knew Brian Habana for a long time), and they all tell the same story: when they were 16-17, they came back with super natural strenght after a summer. After that, they had become unreachable to any normal kid.
Same story I heard from a guy who played in the stormers' academy and shared team with many current bokke

I am personally very pro PEDs, especially the using them the smart way like SA: they help selected players reach a certain bodyweight when they're young and then keep it, which I would think requires having a good response to anabolic steroids but any gifted kid in his late twins is going to be bursting with testosterone so... I also don't think they use very agressive steroids, I don't think they use anavar or deca or GH, and of course tren, probably peptides or something else
today, thre's such a wide arrange of stuff you can get which is mind-boggling. I would prefer it to be regulated instead of what they have in England ATM, where everyone is cruising and pumping insane amounts of steroids at 17

steroid epidemic in england

I think SA probably does a small base of test and over that they add some other stuff, probably mild, and when they reach a certain muscularity and their body gets used to it, they get them off forever, suplementing mildly for most of their careers. Thatt should be immmensely helpful to big guys who need muscle, loads of it, to maintain their bone and connective tissue healthy well into their 30's

in other words, I really admire their program, every SA player has a great body and they are super athletes

long live the bokke

I would also think most of the top unions run similar programs
hell, in England they don't even need to tell the kids to get started, they do it on their own hahahaha
anyway, peace

So the argument for using PEDs in certain circumstances is that it actually helps the health of the athlete? Not heard that argument before but I suppose it might have traction. I remember talking to a cyclist friend about Lance Armstrong and he said that if you don't juice in the tour de France you will do yourself more harm than if do.

 

[Tooting Carmen]

I do wonder sometimes whether people are on the roids or they are just naturally blessed. (Or some combination of both).
The runner Harry Aikines claimed he developed pecks as young as 13, and look at him now:

 

[Horacito]

So the argument for using PEDs in certain circumstances is that it actually helps the health of the athlete? Not heard that argument before but I suppose it might have traction. I remember talking to a cyclist friend about Lance Armstrong and he said that if you don't juice in the tour de France you will do yourself more harm than if do.

Well, I think it's supposed to be a cluster of circumstances/reasons rather than one single argument:
-on one hand, PED's today are very easy to get, and if used smartly, almost impossible to track , everyone knows most of top athletes use it some form or another. This is simply the reality of things
-on the other, rugby requires a heavy and welll trained muscle-structure to protect the vital organs of the body (obviously head, which muscle has nothing to do with, and vital organs=, so it is necessary for young guys to be really developed and well built
-on top of that, no rugby union or organization runs a bodibuilding program, which means that you don't have guys blasting thousands of mgs of test+ some more stuff like professional bodybuilders do, they use one or two cycles tops really early and then just maintain their weight
-also, we don't know exactly what they take, so speculation on the possible outcome regarding organs is fruitless, we don't have enough information
-obviously, there's not a single completely safe way to use: if they take them when they're under 25, their brain is not yet fully formed and steroids are proven to affect hormonal functions and so on

the question of peds in cycling is entirely different: what cyclists do is completely unnatural. No human body is ready to blast bodyfat percentages lower than 6% while cycling 300km+ and burning 4000 kcal, so previious generations of pros used to die at 40, while many of them developed serious ilness, and they also doped like crazy. Cocaine diluted in water for the eyes, they rubbed their joints with crazy painkillers to complete queen stages (yes, they used to be longer), they ran a literal drugstore while eating cold chicken as a source of protein (Bartali's generation and even 20 years after). PED's have improved the life of many cyclists and legends of the sport while killing some lesser known . It is undeniably true that ped's have improved their life after cycling (some of them used to get osteoporosis to the point of walking like 80 year olds and also die of heart failure due to enlarged hearts )

it's a terribly nuanced and complicated debate for which our society is not ready, in my opinion

 

[Horacito]

When will England be awarded the 2019 trophy with how tainted South Africa's win is.

That sort of assumes the english team and union is clean, which is hard to believe seeing how freely their youth uses steroids
500k of users right now, non of them play rugby?

 

[big ginger 8]

Chris Vui has been given a 4 year ban for failing out of season test by World Rugby.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Wondered where he'd gone,
Naughty naughty

 

[Saintjay]

Yet he still never looked as good as 17yo Dwayne VDM.

 

[mackerzz]

Yet he still never looked as good as 17yo Dwayne VDM.

You mean Duhan?

 

[Saintjay]

You mean Duhan?

That will be the one. He suits Dwayne better

 

[BrokenWing]

Duhan Dibley

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Duhan Dibley

vs the rest of the world, the Dwayne "the bok" Johnson vs England