[RWC2019][Pool B] Round 3 - Japan vs. Samoa (05/10/2019)

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    Depends on whether they want to top the group or not... I assume that they want that SA rematch over NZ.
     
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    They need two points to guarantee going through. If we BP Samoa and Scotland BP their two games Japan are out unless they get two losing bps.
     
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    Not quite if Ireland and Scotland their final games they'll be removed. Scotland need BP wins otherwise it's PD
     
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    Do you know if a three way draw goes down to points difference over all the games or just between the three teams tied? It's the one permutation I can't figure out.
     
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    No idea but you guys should be getting a BP win....
     
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    Assuming Ireland BP Samoa, Scotland need to beat Japan and stop them getting two BPs while matching their one BP if they do get one. Scotland would go through based on head to head. A tall order if there are more squint scrum feed type calls by the officials. Looks like the powers that be want Japan in the QF.
     
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    If we did what we should do this shouldn't be a conversation at all!
     
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    Hey if you guys screw up again you deserve to go out.
     
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    But I don't think we would!

    If the three teams end on 15 we top the pool in either tiebreaker in all likelihood.

    Either the three way table will be
    Ireland - 6
    Japan & Scotland - 5 PD decides between them.

    Or it goes down to PD where we can't fall behind Japan in that scenario and Scotland would have to have a PD of 42 + whatever we beat Samoa by over their two games.

    That allows us room to rotate as needed for Samoa anyway.
     
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    This is the sort of thing that makes Carbery's decision to kick it out against Japan look very sensible.
     
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    Good on Japan and all that, but man that last sequence was very fortunate for them. First time I’ve seen that call in about 3 years.

    The draw is set up well for them too - 8 days prep and Scotland get 4. Organisers have done Japan every favour they can.
     
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    Was it last year or the year before where refs were told to watch closely that scrums were fed properly. There were a few calls made and then it disappeared again.
     
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    There’s just no way he makes that call in the 5th minute of the game or whatever. How convenient he pulled one up at the death with the host nation going for a bonus point. That sort of inconsistency ****** me off about refereeing.
     
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    Group A permutations:

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    It assumes that Scotland get a BP win against Russia.

    Credit to @topofthemoonGW on twitter.
     
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    Oh I completely agree. I just remember there was a push to feed properly about 1-2 years ago and then it disappeared again.
     
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    It ought be head to head before most of those.
     
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    It is head to head as the first tiebreaker if two teams are on equal points. That's why the table can include specific orders in most cases. The gold text is in the case where all three teams are tied on points, having all beaten each other once.
     
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    It is, they're for three way ties.
     
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