swearwords

[gingergenius]

OK, this is pathetic.

I write a post with the word 'f***' in it. Except you don't see it cos they're starred out. This is stupid.

1) Anyone who is offended by swearing is a prude. That kind of attitude should not be accepted. We're not talking to the queen on here. f*** is a word in the English language just like all the others you see in this post. A lot of swearwords have been in use for 1000 years plus. I can't see why there should be a problem with it.. swearwords are generally only taboo because they describe sexual organs or acts, which we all do but no one likes to talk about because of some cultural prudishness we get from the Bible. If anyone comes back and moans about offending religious people with blasphemy, then they can go and learn about the differences between fact and myth, and that offending people's beliefs is no different to offending their political opinions. Put simply, they can go f*** themselves.

2) Teh Mite and other senior forummers don't get this censoring. Which defies the whole point of it.

Basically, we're not Victorians. No one should be offended by swearwords nowadays. It's ridiculous. Stop starring them.

 

[getofmeland]

Well the stars are here to stay... There is no need to always use swear words... just cos they are "cool"

We have a lot of young members and we are a board aimed at all age groups, so we need to think of everyone rather than just a couple of people who think its cool to have swear words shown on here...

And we can't swear

f***

 

[Bullitt]

f***

Hmmmm.... maybe not.

 

[cyRil]

This is a rather ignorant and obnoxious thread, no?

 

[St Helens RLFC]

Have you been on a glue binge? Do you have a brain? If you do, do you use it?

There are no seperate rules for staff and members - this is something I have said time and time again.

Secondly, I do not mask out the vast majority of swearwords. However, just because you've been listening to the latest 50 Cent CD does not mean I will be changing anything - it has worked for five years and will work for another five years. You probably don't work, so have you ever heard of anything called "work"? Because people use TRF in their dinner hours, in their break times, hell, even during work time. f*** is NOT something that will get past work sensors. Have some consideration for others for a change.

You bang on about the Bible and the path of righeousness... WHAT? What in the name of the devil's briefcase does the bible have to do with this? Swear words are NOT taboo because of the bible - the only reason they are starred is so the forum is work safe. I think reppin grime means having a lobotomy.

So if you think I am going to change the rules so some rude boy from down the hood can talk balls, then you've got another think coming. If you want to swear uncensored, find a chav forum, a Kid Rock forum, or preferably just another forum full stop.

 

[Prestwick]

I use TRF during work and I work in a job which in the current climate, is probably one of the most secure next to being in the Army or working in the NHS and I do not intend to lose it because someone insisted on having swearwords...

...TL;DL summary: swear words are staying blanked out. End of discussion.

 

[St Helens RLFC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0

gingergenius reacts to swear filter.

 

[Haysie]

-Insert EPIC FAIL picture here-

 

[sambãd5]

and dont just think its us. nearly every forum of media do it if they want to make a broader audiance. such as guitar hero 2. the rage song, killing in the name of, the end changes from f*** you i wont do what you tell me to, your under controll i wont do what you tell me. its so a - a lower adult rating is achived, and like prestwick said, to make it work friendly. im sure some internet nannys would block out this site too, along with if, one day, a internet review comes across us and wont publish us because they want to keep a clean raiting too.

but in all fairness, if you need to use a significant amount of profanity to make a quallity post, well... its not going to be successfull, not to say that a swear doesnt best describe some situations. such as the 2009 blues squad.

 

[gingergenius]

ya ya ya ya ya I'm so cool and I love swearing all the time that's why I bothered to make a sensible point about censorship.

I talked about religion because it's prudishness derived from religion (eg. Adam & Eve story) that creates taboos.

I've been on other forums where swearing is absolutely fine.

look here for a Mite post with no bleeping out...

This is a feedback thread. This is my feedback. You might as well close the section if this is the reaction when there's some criticism (which is, in the the general scheme of things, minor).

And St Helens... stop powertripping. Why would I take your posts seriously when you come with some patronising 50 cent blah blah blah "i'm like every other unthinking snob who thinks every white person who likes hiphop is somehow betraying themselves but I can't say that so I'll just call them a chav or a wigger because that's acceptable..."

 

[St Helens RLFC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Oct 11 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

ya ya ya ya ya I'm so cool and I love swearing all the time that's why I bothered to make a sensible point about censorship.

I talked about religion because it's prudishness derived from religion (eg. Adam & Eve story) that creates taboos.

I've been on other forums where swearing is absolutely fine.

look here for a Mite post with no bleeping out...

This is a feedback thread. This is my feedback. You might as well close the section if this is the reaction when there's some criticism (which is, in the the general scheme of things, minor).

And St Helens... stop powertripping. Why would I take your posts seriously when you come with some patronising 50 cent blah blah blah "i'm like every other unthinking snob who thinks every white person who likes hiphop is somehow betraying themselves but I can't say that so I'll just call them a chav or a wigger because that's acceptable..."[/b]

But it is NOT sensible. Its selfish, definitely, but "sensible" is toward the bottom of the list of words I would use to describe this thread. As someone who is a fully trained journalist I know censorship from top to bottom.

The religion point is just total TRASH. It has nothing to do with anything, its just an attempt to make yourself look intelligent. EPIC FAIL. Religion created taboos, granted, but there isn't a swearword filter because its taboo - there's a swearword filter so people can use the forum in work, savvy? This whole path of righteousness you have tried to go down has made you look silly. It is totally irrelevant to your point.

I too have been on other forums where swearing as acceptable - and I'll bet those forums are banned in peoples' workplace, or university, or library. Turning the filter off would see the same happen with TRF. Is it any wonder your feedback is being totally derided by everyone who has read the thread?

For not blotting out on Mite... if you think "pillock" is a swearword, then save_us.particle collider, please blow the world up.

And as for powertripping - ask any person on this forum who knows me and the way I work and they will tell you how wrong you are. I have no interest in power, I have been on TRF since day one and owned it for three years - I don't need to powertrip. The fact my rep is so low means you hardly see me, I am a silent owner, I get on with things. I'm not here for the limelight, I'm here to make this forum work. I listen to all CONSTRUCTIVE feedback, positive or otherwise. Trawl through this section for evidence of this. I will always defend my corner if I don't agree, and I am not afraid of making the big decisions as I have done in the past and will again in the future, but I always listen.

And I'm not an "unthinking snob." I don't like hip hop, I don't like it when people make ideas that are totally selfish and wholly detrimental to the forum, I don't like it when people can't see the bigger picture and I don't like it when people look like a jamook in their signature. I'm afraid you tick all of these boxes. Don't paint yourself to be a victim when you make the choices you make in life.

I love constructive feedback for TRF - this is DEstructive feedback.

 

[Gay-Guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Oct 11 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I love constructive feedback for TRF - this is DEstructive feedback.[/b]

I disagree. I think any feedback is constructive. It is subjective on whether it is positive or negative simply by the position it takes as opposed to the opposition.

In saying this I will state my opinion as a non moderator. I agree with the stance that swear words that are blocked on servers should be starred out as I want to access the forum anywhere at anytime. I have been on work place computers that block out TRF and it os very frustrating when you are going hard debating on a thread then ONE person swears and viola! You cannot add to the debate until you get to another non work access point. By then you may have missed out the heat of the battle. It HAS happened to me in the past a few times BEFORE the censoring came in and it really annoyed me big time.

However because the words are starred out everyone can still see that you are swearing. The swear words still make their point because we all now that f*** means f u c k even if they are censored.

Finally gingergenius there are people on forums who do get offended. Yes they may be prudish...but we should be "courteous" to other people who struggle with things that we ourselves are comfortable with. Anything less is just plain arrogance on our part and shows contempt for our fellow persons. To say otherwise is hyprocritical....nobody likes others doing things that may offend them personally.

 

[Haysie]

I'll go out there on a limb and say that swearing for the sake of it is, in my opinion, pointless. If it used to illustrate a point (i.e. You're shocked, surprise, in pain etc.) I believe it is fine, and in these situations the asterisks representing the swearwords to justice to the word itself anyhow. S**t is funnily enough considered almost commonplace in today's society, however 'stronger' words like F**k and C**t are pretty vulgar and it will be a while before they are said almost flippantly.

This issue really is an open-ended one, there's not going to be a right or wrong answer.
Ultimately it comes down to what the majority of the forum members would prefer, and that would be that the filter stays

 

[Charles]

This work place filter thing is insane ! I cannot believe this, really. I don't think they would ever do that here in France.

I to find the stars a bit of a joke but if it means people can browse the forum then it's for the best I guess.

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Oct 11 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Oct 11 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ya ya ya ya ya I'm so cool and I love swearing all the time that's why I bothered to make a sensible point about censorship.

I talked about religion because it's prudishness derived from religion (eg. Adam & Eve story) that creates taboos.

I've been on other forums where swearing is absolutely fine.

look here for a Mite post with no bleeping out...

This is a feedback thread. This is my feedback. You might as well close the section if this is the reaction when there's some criticism (which is, in the the general scheme of things, minor).

And St Helens... stop powertripping. Why would I take your posts seriously when you come with some patronising 50 cent blah blah blah "i'm like every other unthinking snob who thinks every white person who likes hiphop is somehow betraying themselves but I can't say that so I'll just call them a chav or a wigger because that's acceptable..."[/b]

But it is NOT sensible. Its selfish, definitely, but "sensible" is toward the bottom of the list of words I would use to describe this thread. As someone who is a fully trained journalist I know censorship from top to bottom.

The religion point is just total TRASH. It has nothing to do with anything, its just an attempt to make yourself look intelligent. EPIC FAIL. Religion created taboos, granted, but there isn't a swearword filter because its taboo - there's a swearword filter so people can use the forum in work, savvy? This whole path of righteousness you have tried to go down has made you look silly. It is totally irrelevant to your point.

I too have been on other forums where swearing as acceptable - and I'll bet those forums are banned in peoples' workplace, or university, or library. Turning the filter off would see the same happen with TRF. Is it any wonder your feedback is being totally derided by everyone who has read the thread?

For not blotting out on Mite... if you think "pillock" is a swearword, then save_us.particle collider, please blow the world up.

And as for powertripping - ask any person on this forum who knows me and the way I work and they will tell you how wrong you are. I have no interest in power, I have been on TRF since day one and owned it for three years - I don't need to powertrip. The fact my rep is so low means you hardly see me, I am a silent owner, I get on with things. I'm not here for the limelight, I'm here to make this forum work. I listen to all CONSTRUCTIVE feedback, positive or otherwise. Trawl through this section for evidence of this. I will always defend my corner if I don't agree, and I am not afraid of making the big decisions as I have done in the past and will again in the future, but I always listen.

And I'm not an "unthinking snob." I don't like hip hop, I don't like it when people make ideas that are totally selfish and wholly detrimental to the forum, I don't like it when people can't see the bigger picture and I don't like it when people look like a jamook in their signature. I'm afraid you tick all of these boxes. Don't paint yourself to be a victim when you make the choices you make in life.

I love constructive feedback for TRF - this is DEstructive feedback.
[/b][/quote]

"I'll bet". That's an asssumption. I never had any problem looking at websites that had swearing. FFS, the Guardian is always happy to print swearwords, do you think their website is blocked?

You clearly are a f***ing idiot if you think, because I'm wearing a hood, flatcap and 'G' chain in my sig then I'm some 'jamook' (whatever that is...). You managed to notice that but not the baloons... fool. Never been to a fancy dress party? Or heard of irony? tsst.

Fine if you think it's not constructive. That's your decision that I have to accept. But as I see it, I had an issue, I presented an argument to back it up. What's wrong with that? All you have to do is say no. You don't have to go on the defensive as if I've insulted the very core of TRF. It's not like I was criticising rugby...

Pillock wasn't the word, there's a few posts up where he wrote 'f***ing' but it has now just been blotted out. Wasn't before I brought it up...

 

[QLD]

Big ginger genius.

He is HUGE.

He is one tough gangsta

 

[jawmalawm24]

whenever I swear I just type f$#! because most people know what I'm saying. I think it is a bit silly that it gets censored but if it wasn't than we'd all just jump on here and swear at eachother all day and night and it'll just get out of control.

 

[Gay-Guy]

There was a time when TRF was full of sweraing and people attacking each other and lots of bad stuff happening between members. It was more of a personal "I am angry with the world" lets take it out on each other than an actual rugby forum. It was a really messy place with members always berating each other.

Since Dan moved to buy it he and others have really cleaned the place up. Now it is a website that actually keeps on track and doesn't degenerate into a slingy match or soft porn sharing.

This site would still be a place of bad posting if certain members had not left.

Dan is not on a power trip. He genuinely enjoys having people on here who share their thoughts and ideas on rugby and stuff.

In saying that Dan I do think in your first post on this thread that you were a bit too harsh with your first sentence.
"Have you been on a glue binge? Do you have a brain? If you do, do you use it?"
It does kind of hint that ginger is a retard or something...which (even if he was) is not a nice thing to say to anyone. However this is not the real Dan the man. This is Dan reacting and perhaps a bit upset. What you have to realise ginger is there were people who used to be on this forum who were really destructive and wanted to turn this place into their personal f u c k everyone up playground. Dan had to bear the brunt of these attacks....which were aimed at the forum, at him, etc....death threats even. In the end it became apparent that it was not constructive feedback at all....it was just people wanting to destroy.

In no way would this mean that Dan would look at you ginger and judge you as someone who is here to destroy the forum. I think it is very apparent that you are quite sensible in your posts. From what I know of Dan and the guy he is I would say that he was simply reacting...which is understandable when us older members know the history of what he went through to keep this forum in one piece. It was a moment.....we all have moments...but I am sure we can get past it if we are mature about the whole thing.

Back on topic. Swear words may be all ok and stuff...and I am sure ginger if we were in a pub having a beer you and I that it would be fine with you if I swore every second word. However if I were talking to your mum in person you would probably prefer it if I didn't say "f***en beautiful f***en morning miss. How the f*** are you today? f*** that was a really good f***en dinner you made last f***en night. f*** ginger is a really f***en lucky boy to have a good f***en mum like you"

I swear but if someone does not like it I won't do it even if I think they should "just get over it".

 

[dullonien]

Great posts Gay-Guy. I think a few people have overeacted on this thread. As Gingergenius said, he's airing his views and he's entitled to do so. Were not under some dictatorship here, he's been a good poster on this site and it'd be a pity if this thread turned him away! Ok it wasn't the cleverest things to do, he should have thought about why it's in place, but his opinion is still an important one.

About the swearing filter, I think it's quite a sensible thing. It isn't over the top, it just stars out the main few that could/would offend some people. I wouldn't be happy if I had a child looking at a forum full of swearing! I personally don't have a problem with adults swearing when necessary/appropriate, but children shouldn't be exposed to such things.

 

[RC]

I'm confused.

Why do you want to see the word written in all its glory so badly?

I mean, i f***ing love swearing. Through and through. I don't believe it shows a lack of vocabulary or intellect or whatever some people preach about in the slightest.
I love in indulging philology. I mean, in my spare time i go out of my way to find out the meanings of these words.

f***, for example is a great story.

Back many a year ago in the medieval times the stocks were a common form of punishment so that the criminal himself could be humiliated and brandished in public for the crime he/she committed, thus revealing themselves and their crimes for all to see.
We still had civilised standards back then which dates just over a thousand years ago and if a person raped someone or sexually abused a child then they would be sent to trial charged for unlawful carnal knowledge.
If found guilty they would be sent to the stocks and the crime (abbreviated) was written across the planks for all to see: -
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - literally meaning to know what it's like to have unlawful sex.
Genius.

Now, i can accept that there are not many people out there who would know this, and those who do would maybe argue that this is just one of many theories, but if people are offended by it, then there must be a reason, right?
Passed on generation through generation "f***ers" as such, are people who are known to sexually abuse children or rape others...why would you want to throw such a word around with such nonchalance?

Ignorance is bliss, don't just instantly assume people as being prudish if they don't want to swear.
Anyway, if it was still "prudish" and nothing more then you could go up to a random police officer and tell him/her to go f*** off til the cows came home and not worry about getting arrested. But guess what...you're not actually allowed to swear in public.

So, the fact that the stars are in place (for a very logical reason: so people can look at this site at work!) doesn't seem so stupid to me...regardless of how much i enjoy swearing.