• Help Support The Rugby Forum :

USA news & politics

The Rugby Forum - Global Rugby Union News, Six Nations & RWC Discussion

Help Support The Rugby Forum:

dirty harry said:
1. Your going to be a dissapointed man for the rest of your life if your waiting for better.

2. Because you post insesently about legislation, corruption and the justice system, youve watered down your opinion that i now just skim what you write, because theres a chance its ficticiously 'unprecedented' and another chance youve conflated reality with the narrative you hace swallowed. With tye greatest of respect, its become tiresome having to keep explaining to you that all US presidents have been scumbags over time, and that the current one isnt the end of the world, the same way i will have to for the next one who is deemed the end of the world...

The most overused term since 2016 is 'but this time its different' little hint, most of the time it isnt, and the times that are just line up with the times that were 4 years ago, or 12 years ago, or 24 years ago...

Every president pushes boundaries, every one of them jostles on the world stage for supremecy, everyone of them is criticised imsesently by the other side calling them the devil, or the next Hitler, and everyone of them has unique situations.

Once you stop digging through the weeds, and post on a weekly basis about how this is the end of democracy, we can have a chat about it, until then its just you screaming into the void.

When i criticise Trump it means something, his AI video is not a death threat, its not the Whitehouse trivialising violence against late night hosts, and its not denegrating the office of POTUS, infact that office has disgraced itself over and over in my lifetime, its called humour, probably designed to trigger and garner criticism to continue to make people like you scream into tye void and detach them from the sensible centrists who just want to live their lives.

Sorry for the essay lol
Click to expand...
1. No I won't, I've seen better than Trump many times already in my life.

2. No, you ignore what is unprecedented because you don't want to. You've been asked repeatedly to present similar examples to things Trump has done and failed every time. You're too stubborn to ever admit it. Nobody has presented Trump as the end of the world, more of your habit of strawmanning then anything. Yet it's funny isn't it you claim to find it tiresome when you don't have a response but have no qualms whatsoever dragging an argument over days.

3. Ah yeah when you criticise Trump it means something, of course. Ignoring the fact you don't. The news about him suing his own administration then settling with himself to create a slush fund? Quiet. January 6th? Excuses. The current gerrymandering wars? False equivalence. The tariffs? Crickets. Getting himself full criminal immunity as president? It's fine, everyone does it. Multiple scams? No issue.

Just nah, you don't criticise Trump ever without trying to stick a huge "yeah but" on the end. You can't do it.
 
Welsh Exile said:
Its just a Michael Knowles thing (to bring up actions of past presidents and putting them on a par, or worse, with things Trump has done.)

I posted the debate earlier.
Click to expand...

Oh... ye i dont watch any Knowles, i always get him mixed up with the guy who did the borat style documentary mocking liberals...

I have a friend who constantly makes the joke that white people look all the same and uses Knowles, Walsh Kirk etc as examples, its hilarious.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
1. No I won't, I've seen better than Trump many times already in my life.

2. No, you ignore what is unprecedented because you don't want to. You've been asked repeatedly to present similar examples to things Trump has done and failed every time. You're too stubborn to ever admit it. Nobody has presented Trump as the end of the world, more of your habit of strawmanning then anything. Yet it's funny isn't it you claim to find it tiresome when you don't have a response but have no qualms whatsoever dragging an argument over days.

3. Ah yeah when you criticise Trump it means something, of course. Ignoring the fact you don't. The news about him suing his own administration then settling with himself to create a slush fund? Quiet. January 6th? Excuses. The current gerrymandering wars? False equivalence. The tariffs? Crickets. Getting himself full criminal immunity as president? It's fine, everyone does it. Multiple scams? No issue.

Just nah, you don't criticise Trump ever without trying to stick a huge "yeah but" on the end. You can't do it.
Click to expand...

See now your words would hold weight if you didnt just flat out lie about my stances, i dont understand why you do thos, well thats not accurate, i jave some very educated guesses as to why you do!

Jan 6th excuses? Enlighten me in how ive excused Trumps role in Jan 6th?

False equivilance in gerrymandering? You call it that when your called out for making the claim Republicans started Gerrymandering.

Whats the issues with the tarriffs? Which tarrif specifically have you criticised?

I think you have a supply and demand problem, theres one MAGA on this threas, and hes been harranged to the point he barely comments anymore, I, as someone who accurately puts Trumps actions in context of US history and presidential trends am the nearest thing you have to a MAGA, so all the abuse is thrown my way, bit unfortunately for you im quite content in not being a fan of his, while at the same time countering false information pushed here...
 
dirty harry said:
Oh... ye i dont watch any Knowles, i always get him mixed up with the guy who did the borat style documentary mocking liberals...

I have a friend who constantly makes the joke that white people look all the same and uses Knowles, Walsh Kirk etc as examples, it’s hilarious.
Click to expand...
Yeah, Knowles and Tim Poole and all these muppets are, well, muppets.
 
dirty harry said:
See now your words would hold weight if you didnt just flat out lie about my stances, i dont understand why you do thos, well thats not accurate, i jave some very educated guesses as to why you do!

Jan 6th excuses? Enlighten me in how ive excused Trumps role in Jan 6th?

False equivilance in gerrymandering? You call it that when your called out for making the claim Republicans started Gerrymandering.

Whats the issues with the tarriffs? Which tarrif specifically have you criticised?

I think you have a supply and demand problem, theres one MAGA on this threas, and hes been harranged to the point he barely comments anymore, I, as someone who accurately puts Trumps actions in context of US history and presidential trends am the nearest thing you have to a MAGA, so all the abuse is thrown my way, bit unfortunately for you im quite content in not being a fan of his, while at the same time countering false information pushed here...
Click to expand...
Jan 6th we have said is unprecedented as is Trumps role in it and the election denial leading up to it. You attempt to draw a false equivalent equivalence to Clinton. Do you or do you not think what happened up to, on and following Jan 6th was unprecedented and no other president has done anything like that?

I made the claim Republicans started the mid cycle gerrymandering at the demands of the president, something that hasn't happened before. I never claimed gerrymandering had never happened before. Who's lying about the others position now? Can you point to any other time where this sort of blatant mid cycle gerrymandering has happened? We can now add the supreme court overturning yet another well established precedent in the voting rights act leading to even more gerrymandering. Can you point to the last time the supreme court undid voting rights legislation or the last time the USA had redistricting like this?

The legality of how they were so established, the completely arbitrary nature of them. Feel free to point to a similar situation. If you're response is simply that tariffs have existed before, I'm well aware and that's not the point. Read the comment again if that's what you intend to respond.

Also don't think I've noticed you dropping the criminal immunity, the scamsbor suing his own administration and getting them to settle.

You claim you can criticise Trump. Ok, tell me 3 things off the top of your you admit Trump has done that to way beyond what had been done before. No it's, no buts, no excuses, stuff he had done which is straight up beyond the norm. I'm convinced you can't do it.
 
Welsh Exile said:
Yeah, Knowles and Tim Poole and all these muppets are, well, muppets.
Click to expand...

Bit harsh on Tim Pool, i see him more as a Joe Rogan type, obvious left wing or liberals who leaned right after the landscape left them a bit homeless. Walsh, Knowles, Kirk etc are full on conservative as a life goal, i think Pool has an avenue to return to the light...
 
dirty harry said:
Bit harsh on Tim Pool, i see him more as a Joe Rogan type, obvious left wing or liberals who leaned right after the landscape left them a bit homeless. Walsh, Knowles, Kirk etc are full on conservative as a life goal, i think Pool has an avenue to return to the light...
Click to expand...
I think he’s just a grifter to be honest. You’re right Knowles is a die in the wool conservative and even though he probably doesn’t believe all the things he says he’s not a grifter. I get a lot more grifter vibes from Pool.

Either way, the only reason for my comparison was that they both use the same arguments for justifying Trump’s behaviour (I.e, they say it’s nothing new)
 
Welsh Exile said:
I think he’s just a grifter to be honest. You’re right Knowles is a die in the wool conservative and even though he probably doesn’t believe all the things he says he’s not a grifter. I get a lot more grifter vibes from Pool.

Either way, the only reason for my comparison was that they both use the same arguments for justifying Trump’s behaviour (I.e, they say it’s nothing new)
Click to expand...

Cant disagree here, Pool spends a lot of time talking about wanting to just live in his van by the river, he plays the role of a skater kid who just wants to live and let live, while at the same time trying to build a media empire lol

I also agree, i think he follows the culutre war, he was tentative Trumps first term, but he saw the winds change and went with it, he reminds me of that kid at school who cant decide whether he wants to play inside or outside, until he sees the cool kids walk to the door and runs through it quickly pretending he wanted to play outside all along.
 


Texas judge now trying to rule against a hospital in Rhode island (1400 miles away and completely outside their jurisdiction) and going into conflict with a judge actually in their jurisdiction, to the extent of attempting to make it a criminal offense to seek legal recourse in the actual court that has jurisdiction. This is to enforce a non-existent subpoena they authorised despite it being proven the government lied repeatedly to obtain it.

The corruption of the right wing in the states is getting to the extent they quite openly embrace ignoring the law at all levels of the government and the judiciary.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:


Texas judge now trying to rule against a hospital in Rhode island (1400 miles away and completely outside their jurisdiction) and going into conflict with a judge actually in their jurisdiction, to the extent of attempting to make it a criminal offense to seek legal recourse in the actual court that has jurisdiction. This is to enforce a non-existent subpoena they authorised despite it being proven the government lied repeatedly to obtain it.

The corruption of the right wing in the states is getting to the extent they quite openly embrace ignoring the law at all levels of the government and the judiciary.
Click to expand...


Im not too familiar with this case, from what i remember it was a Rhode Island hospital refusing to send details of what they were doing to children with gender dysphoria, which is pretty suspsicious...

But you use the word 'corruption', in a case that is being argued legally in court. Finding avenues to enforce a subpeana within the courts, is not ignoring the law, that would be like you calling someone a liar merely for disagreeing with you...

Oh wait hahahahaha
 
dirty harry said:
Im not too familiar with this case, from what i remember it was a Rhode Island hospital refusing to send details of what they were doing to children with gender dysphoria, which is pretty suspsicious...

But you use the word 'corruption', in a case that is being argued legally in court. Finding avenues to enforce a subpeana within the courts, is not ignoring the law, that would be like you calling someone a liar merely for disagreeing with you...

Oh wait hahahahaha
Click to expand...
You think a court in a completely different jurisdiction trying to make it illegal for an entity to seek legal redress in a court who are actually in the correct jurisdiction is ok? Particularly after the reasons for the subpoena we shown to be completely false?

Let's make one thing abundantly clear, seeking legal redress is not illegal and no court has the power to deny that. Attempting to do so IS corrupt.

Attempting to enforce a subpoena when it was shown the reason given for it in the first place was a lie is corrupt.

Give your head a wobble. The lengths you will go to to avoid admitting what is happening are ridiculous.

Seriously Harry, what is wrong with you?
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
You think a court in a completely different jurisdiction trying to make it illegal for an entity to seek legal redress in a court who are actually in the correct jurisdiction is ok? Particularly after the reasons for the subpoena we shown to be completely false?

Let's make one thing abundantly clear, seeking legal redress is not illegal and no court has the power to deny that. Attempting to do so IS corrupt.

Attempting to enforce a subpoena when it was shown the reason given for it in the first place was a lie is corrupt.

Give your head a wobble. The lengths you will go to to avoid admitting what is happening are ridiculous.

Seriously Harry, what is wrong with you?
Click to expand...

1. Keep your panties untwisted, and juat stick to the facts.

2. Forum and Judge shopping is very common, its happened over and over. I can disagree with it, as i do a lot of US things, but its a regular occurance. I think Biden was criticised for the abortion pill litigation wasnt he?

3. Were the reasons for the subpeana deemed false? From what i have read the judges criticisms have been concerns over privacy data, witholding information, and innacuracies aboit their claim on communication with the hopsital. All claims are still being investigated through an appeals process.

4. The records have been given to the Texas judge sealed, based on DOJ agreeing to anonymisation?

So, from what ive seen, a subpeana has been deemes not legally enforcable, communications opened, an appeal has been submitted, an investigation into the DOJ lawyers has begun, the act of forum shopping was implimented, and the files have agreed to be anonymised, and submitted to the Texas judge sealed until the outcome. This seems to be allegations litigation misconduct, duty of candor issue and / or procedural impropriety concerns.

There has been no allegation of corruption outside of the anti MAGA media, and hysterical random people on the internet, so i ask again, despite there not being any intent of criminality or personal illegal gain, where is the corruption?

Who is in the wrong when it comes to wanting the trans childrens data, id lean toward the hospital not sharing what they are doing as deeply suspicious!

Who is in the wrong procedurally? Well it seems like a typical Trump strategy, go in hard, go in over the top, and have 3 ways to crack a nut ready to go when the inevitible challenge comes. There may be wrong doing from the lawyers, there may be errors, but to catastrophose everything anyone related to Trump does is absolutely feeding into the MAGA movement.
 
Last edited:
dirty harry said:
1. Keep your panties untwisted, and juat stick to the facts.

2. Forum and Judge shopping is very common, its happened over and over. I can disagree with it, as i do a lot of US things, but its a regular occurance. I think Biden was criticised for the abortion pill litigation wasnt he?

3. Were the reasons for the subpeana deemed false? From what i have read the judges criticisms have been concerns over privacy data, witholding information, and innacuracies aboit their claim on communication with the hopsital. All claims are still being investigated through an appeals process.

4. The records have been given to the Texas judge sealed, based on DOJ agreeing to anonymisation?

So, from what ive seen, a subpeana has been deemes not legally enforcable, communications opened, an appeal has been submitted, an investigation into the DOJ lawyers has begun, the act of forum shopping was implimented, and the files have agreed to be anonymised, and submitted to the Texas judge sealed until the outcome. This seems to be allegations litigation misconduct, duty of candor issue and / or procedural impropriety concerns.

There has been no allegation of corruption outside of the anti MAGA media, and hysterical random people on the internet, so i ask again, despite there not being any intent of criminality or personal illegal gain, where is the corruption?

Who is in the wrong when it comes to wanting the trans childrens data, id lean toward the hospital not sharing what they are doing as deeply suspicious!

Who is in the wrong procedurally? Well it seems like a typical Trump strategy, go in hard, go in over the top, and have 3 ways to crack a nut ready to go when the inevitible challenge comes. There may be wrong doing from the lawyers, there may be errors, but to catastrophose everything anyone related to Trump does is absolutely feeding into the MAGA movement.
Click to expand...
Pigeon, chess board...
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
https://abcnews.com/US/judge-allows-group-fly-86-47-flag-dc/story?id=133496684

Not content with harassing Comey, the Trump DoJ now tried to prosecute civilians for carrying a flag saying "86 47". Suffice to say it got shot down in court.

But yeah, Republicans love free speech and all that.
Click to expand...

There you go, the justice system at work, a nervy DOJ and secret service working for a president who has had what 12? Assasination attempts/plots against him, whos political rivals call him Nazi fascist and all but call for outright violence, investigate a group whos only goal is to get rid of Trump, have had a 24/7 presence for months and is actively trying to push the boundary of freedom of speach, with the view of baiting legal battles and attention like Just Stop Oil.

Trump would be mindful not to get baited by banners that state "Trump raped little girls,” and “Kids, if your parents are MAGA, they love child rapists,” the National Park Service has been trying to quell the groups antics for a while, unssuccessfully, and of course the ACLU got involced early doors to help lol.

https://www.acludc.org/cases/accoun...signs-accusing-president-trump-of-sex-crimes/

So ye, group provoces government agencies with provocative obscene signs, government agencies attempt to stop them, courts protect free speach rights... great system isnt it?
 
In the court battle between the BCC and Trump, the BBC have request Trump provide financial records for him and his companies to prove the financial damage he claimed happened as a result of the so called defamation. Trump to everyone's surprise is refusing to provide the evidence to support his claims.

THIS is what every US news outlet should have done. Call his bluff, take it to discovery and get him to present actual facts. We all know he desperately wants to hide his finances from the public and runs based on threats and intimidation, not substance.

In other news, after bragging about the size of the reflecting pool (the size isn't changing in the current work so weird brag) and claiming he actually won every single state in the last election, Trump then decided to "rest his eyes" right in the middle of a televised briefing. Biden was called sleepy Joe and had his cognitive ability questioned for far less. This is apparently the 13th time this has happened since he took office again.

Oh and this exists on the official whitehouse website: https://www.whitehouse.gov/mediabias/

For the usual suspects on here, no this is not normal behaviour and no you shouldn't just laugh it off and no you can't find any comparison. This is unbecoming of the office.
 
Some potentially dodgy things being alleged in the California matoral election...

Nearly a week after voting theyre still counting, Bass has progressed through, whereas Spencer Pratt (i still cant believe it lol) in 2nd is somehow coming under pressure from 3rd place Raman who suddenly is winning every new batch of dropped balots.

I think its unprecidented in US politics that a candidate has gone from being in standout 3rd spot, to then winning every balot handily after the incumbant has been anounced as secure, and that incumbant just stops getting votes.

As the counting goes on, more noise is being made from RNC and watchdog groups!

Who knows whats going to happen...
 
There it is, another balot dump, and despite at 75% of counts Bass was demolishing both Pratt and Raman, once she was confirmed as Novembers candidate she stops receiving votes and Raman goes from miles out in 3rd to winning 50% of every vote being counted lol.

Raman takes the lead, Bass had less than 9% of the balot dumps votes lol.

It wouldnt be funny, and i would listen to the arguments that later vote counts lean left etc, if it wasnt for a few right wing activists calling the play weeks and days before it happened.

That statistics that Bass went from winning 50% of balot dumps, to less than 10% directly after comfirmation is not just convenient for Raman but statistically impossible.

Who knows what the truth is, but the Biden Trump meme is going everywhere right now, hopefully thos doesnt cause too much disruption on regular peoples lives
 
dirty harry said:
There it is, another balot dump, and despite at 75% of counts Bass was demolishing both Pratt and Raman, once she was confirmed as Novembers candidate she stops receiving votes and Raman goes from miles out in 3rd to winning 50% of every vote being counted lol.

Raman takes the lead, Bass had less than 9% of the balot dumps votes lol.

It wouldnt be funny, and i would listen to the arguments that later vote counts lean left etc, if it wasnt for a few right wing activists calling the play weeks and days before it happened.

That statistics that Bass went from winning 50% of balot dumps, to less than 10% directly after comfirmation is not just convenient for Raman but statistically impossible.

Who knows what the truth is, but the Biden Trump meme is going everywhere right now, hopefully thos doesnt cause too much disruption on regular peoples lives
Click to expand...
Yeah who knows. Just like 2020 hey.
 
Welsh Exile said:
Yeah who knows. Just like 2020 hey.
Click to expand...

Not exactly, Republicans werent calling the play before the election in 2020, they have been doing it for weeks this time.

Raman was on stage election night in tears essentially thanking her team for the effort lol.

Now im not saying its corruption, i wouldnt even dream promote Spencer Pratt lol is he still on TV outside politics? But im a stats guy, and an anomoly is understandable, but convenience isnt.

Go and have a look at the graphs, Raman was beat rlection night, even her wildest fans thought she would make up ground a bit, and 150k votes would be an incredible acheivement for her based on her polling and popularity numbers pre election if 17% to 19% in May.

I would caveat this by saying the California mayor race is odd, they do have swings because they give themselves a month to count votes, and take in mail in balots after election day, so we regularly see pro democrat swings after the first week of counting, but nothing of this size.

But how much analysis have you watched?
 
dirty harry said:
Not exactly, Republicans werent calling the play before the election in 2020, they have been doing it for weeks this time.

Raman was on stage election night in tears essentially thanking her team for the effort lol.

Now im not saying its corruption, i wouldnt even dream promote Spencer Pratt lol is he still on TV outside politics? But im a stats guy, and an anomoly is understandable, but convenience isnt.

Go and have a look at the graphs, Raman was beat rlection night, even her wildest fans thought she would make up ground a bit, and 150k votes would be an incredible acheivement for her based on her polling and popularity numbers pre election if 17% to 19% in May.

I would caveat this by saying the California mayor race is odd, they do have swings because they give themselves a month to count votes, and take in mail in balots after election day, so we regularly see pro democrat swings after the first week of counting, but nothing of this size.

But how much analysis have you watched?
Click to expand...
I’ve watched none of it and I have no idea where you get your news from but I googled 1 of your claims which turned out to be complete and utter ******** so just ignored your “I’m not saying it was rigged but isn’t it convenient guys” rubbish. My guess is you’ve lifted this off some right wing source and because it fits your conspiracy brain you’ve taken it as gospel.
 
Welsh Exile said:
I’ve watched none of it and I have no idea where you get your news from but I googled 1 of your claims which turned out to be complete and utter ******** so just ignored your “I’m not saying it was rigged but isn’t it convenient guys” rubbish. My guess is you’ve lifted this off some right wing source and because it fits your conspiracy brain you’ve taken it as gospel.
Click to expand...

Which claim?
 

Similar threads

Kiwiwomble
Local Club Rugby
Replies
9
Views
3K
Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble
wombles
6 Nations 2026 Review
Replies
7
Views
713
Deleted member 91904
D
Quel Carreleur
Proposed law changes - 2024 edition
Replies
9
Views
5K
AlRums
AlRums
4
"Ten simple and effective law changes that should be made to rugby refereeing"
Replies
24
Views
3K
Reiser99
R
Y
Blaming
Replies
6
Views
2K
Bruce_ma gooshvili
Bruce_ma gooshvili

Latest posts

Back
Top