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[Welsh Exile]

Still waiting on you to show how many billions Biden and Obama made from books they wrote before becoming president or after.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Hahahahahaha

On a serious note, none of this makes sense, im not sure you are reading what i am saying!

For example, in response to my quote "just look at it without the emotion, Trump is a scumbag billionaire," you have responded with "Trump is a scumbag billionaire, do you really want to claim otherwise?" - can you qualify how this question makes any sense?

Then in response to me using the BBC article and ethical experts asertion that what Trump is doing is unethical but legal, and me making the argument that the Trump coin is 'disgracefull' you still want to argue that the crypto investment company is bad, mate are you reading what you are wtiting?
Just say yes we are aligned that the Trump coin is ropy as ****, but in a legal grey area so there is nothing anyone can do up until now?

Then theres all the personal stuff that just makes you look small andnpetty, drop the ego and emotion and just go over the evidence of what we know.

Trump is the most financially successful president of all time.

According to the BBC article Trumps wealth increase in the specific year of 2025 is unethical but legal.

Making money doesnt automatically equal corruption, especially if youve taken legal steps to minimise the potential to it, as required.

There are things we can agree on, lets try:

1. Presidents and Vices arent, but should be held to the same standards as other officials when it comes to legal requirements to avoid corruption and profiteering? Yes?

2. Trump media company, and crypto interests are currently legal? Yes?

3. Trump term 1 is thebfirst ever time a president has taken a financial hit while in office to serve his country?

4. Eric Trump is a better presidents son than Hunter Biden? Hahahaha

Mate just read what i said, make sense of it, wipe your eyes and respond in context, and without the petty attacks, and pivoting, once you can do that we could actually scrutinise the Trump coin issue, the clarity act merits etc...

Oh Harry Harry Harry, the proverbial pigeon continues to strut around.

You are trying to pretend what Trump is doing isn't corruption because it isn't illegal. I asked you to work out why it may not be illegal yet and can still be corruption. You don't seem to have done this, just asserted it's a grey area. Yes it's a grey are but WHY is it a grey area. Thought about that yet? There are plenty of things that are legal and corrupt. Here's another little thing to think about, the people making the laws on corruption are those who frequently gain from it.

"drop the ego", oh if only you could look in the mirror whilst wildly asserting your own intellectual and rational superiority .

Nowhere have I said making money equals corruption. I've actually been trying to lead you to understand the means and motives are what determine corruption, not the outcome, but you've shown numerous times you look at the outcome only. A pretty severe lack of nuance eh?

1. Arguably they should be held to higher standards across the board, not just in relation to corruption, something you don't seem to subscribe to.
2. More accurate to say no attempt is being made to determine their legality because the people who would do that are under Trumps thumb. Subtly different.
3. Falsely equating taking the financial hit with being president. Given world events, that hit would have happened anyway. The only sacrifice he made is not taking the salary.
4. No.

Aw look the little condescending act again. Funny how you try to act holier than though pretending you don't make personal comments, you do it every bit as much. But we all know what a hypocrite you are so no surprise. How about practice what you preach?
1 - Read what someone actually writes
2 - Cut out the condescending remarks
3 - Respond to questions people ask rather than ignoring them
4 - Stop pretending you are more nuanced than everyone else
5 - Back up ANYTHING you say with sources. You repeatedly refuse to do this.

Then and only then you will stop being considered the hypocritical, condescending forum troll you are.

 

[dirty harry]

Where did I misquote you? Did you not say those 2 things?

Either way, my point is that a sitting president owning financial assets that anyone, including foreign nationals, can buy into creates an obvious avenue for influence.

Whether that amounts to criminal corruption is a separate question. But saying “it’s legal” doesn’t answer the ethical concern. Plenty of things can be legal and still create serious conflicts of interest.

Of course i never, you added a word and misquoted me hahaha your better than that, well not recently but you used to be hahaha.

But your absolutely right, you are aligned with me here, in an ideal world Trump would have been able to give up total control and create a scenario where it would be impossible to invest in him as a leader, unfortunately he has the kind of problem no sitting president has had before him, hes super successful financially. A blind trust couldnt work, like it did with others, so he has complied with the legal requirements.

My stance is aligned with the BBC, ethical experts and seemingly yourself, that its not ethical, but its legal currently.

Now my stance is that earning 2.2b isnt automatically corruption, thats silly, but the Trump coin despite being legally grey because of a lack of scrutiny and restrictions on sitting presidents, still opens up to all sorts of issues.

Trump has done the bare minimum legally required, which makes this legal, and the unprecedented 2.2b a non issue in itself as you said previously. The issue arises in the detail.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Still waiting for that breakdown. And whether you voted Brexit. Still no answer.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Harry quote

Trump coin is super borderline disgraceful, but as i said its a grey area that Trump and Billionaires live in

 

[dirty harry]

Oh Harry Harry Harry, the proverbial pigeon continues to strut around.

You are trying to pretend what Trump is doing isn't corruption because it isn't illegal. I asked you to work out why it may not be illegal yet and can still be corruption. You don't seem to have done this, just asserted it's a grey area. Yes it's a grey are but WHY is it a grey area. Thought about that yet? There are plenty of things that are legal and corrupt. Here's another little thing to think about, the people making the laws on corruption are those who frequently gain from it.

"drop the ego", oh if only you could look in the mirror whilst wildly asserting your own intellectual and rational superiority .

Nowhere have I said making money equals corruption. I've actually been trying to lead you to understand the means and motives are what determine corruption, not the outcome, but you've shown numerous times you look at the outcome only. A pretty severe lack of nuance eh?

1. Arguably they should be held to higher standards across the board, not just in relation to corruption, something you don't seem to subscribe to.
2. More accurate to say no attempt is being made to determine their legality because the people who would do that are under Trumps thumb. Subtly different.
3. Falsely equating taking the financial hit with being president. Given world events, that hit would have happened anyway. The only sacrifice he made is not taking the salary.
4. No.

Aw look the little condescending act again. Funny how you try to act holier than though pretending you don't make personal comments, you do it every bit as much. But we all know what a hypocrite you are so no surprise. How about practice what you preach?
1 - Read what someone actually writes
2 - Cut out the condescending remarks
3 - Respond to questions people ask rather than ignoring them
4 - Stop pretending you are more nuanced than everyone else
5 - Back up ANYTHING you say with sources. You repeatedly refuse to do this.

Then and only then you will stop being considered the hypocritical, condescending forum troll you are.

This is a brilliant response i laughed out load, mostly at me quoting YOUR source, and you crying about me not backing anything up with sources hahahah.

Its also interesting, that you refuse to say what Trump is doing is legal, why do you feel the need to phrase it as 'isnt illegal'? Fascinating insight.

You know why its a grey area ive said it numerous times, hoepfully the Clarity Act will fix it but Presidents arent held to the same standards, how many times do i have to repeat it?

Did you just make the claim politicians are corrupt, because they gain from making laws? THATS MY WHOLE SCHTICK FFS hahaha im politican skeptic, your the one who defends one side of the isle, i slate them all hahaha i have no words!

1. Just agree, drop the ego!

2. To blame Trump for a lack of insight over crypto is wild, there is a million things to consider, noone knows who will have regilatory power (SEC or CFTC) and the US government are a million miles away from proper regulation. Infact you could argue Bidens stance on no new laws was stupid, and paved the way for this not being resolved.

3. What world events happened between 2016 and 2020 when Trumps wealth consistently dropped while in office? Infact id have to go check but didnt he lose 600m first year in office? And nearly half of that 2nd year? The pandemic cant be blamed on that, im sure there was a number of factors, but losing the head of an empire absolutely must have contributed.

4. It doesnt matter, that was just for fun.

 

[dirty harry]

Harry quote

Trump coin is super borderline disgraceful, but as i said its a grey area that Trump and Billionaires live in

Exile quote

"Harry admitted that Trump coin is “super borderline disgraceful”, then immediately brushed it off as “just the grey area billionaires live in.” You couldn’t make it up."

So not only did you add a word to my quote as a minimiser, you added your own inference of context hahahaha

Will welcome the apology, as i dont think misquoting AND adding different context is an accident, but happy to brush it off...

 

[Welsh Exile]

Exile quote

"Harry admitted that Trump coin is “super borderline disgraceful”, then immediately brushed it off as “just the grey area billionaires live in.” You couldn’t make it up."

So not only did you add a word to my quote as a minimiser, you added your own inference of context hahahaha

Will welcome the apology, as i dont think misquoting AND adding different context is an accident, but happy to brush it off...

lol. You are quibbling over the word “just”. Ha ha ha

 

[dirty harry]

lol. You are quibbling over the word “just”. Ha ha ha

Of course, you have lied.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Of course, you have lied.

Haha. Does taking out the word “just” make any meaningful change?

Harry admitted that Trump coin is “super borderline disgraceful”, then immediately brushed it off as “ the grey area billionaires live in.” You couldn’t make it up.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Of course, you have lied.

Did you vote Brexit Harry?

Don’t worry, I know you won’t answer. Just as you wouldn’t answer me on here, or in PM, about your obsession with multiculturalism and the Kalergi Plan. Ha ha ha ha.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I never knew you were a public speaker Harry. Impressive.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

This is a brilliant response i laughed out load, mostly at me quoting YOUR source, and you crying about me not backing anything up with sources hahahah.

Its also interesting, that you refuse to say what Trump is doing is legal, why do you feel the need to phrase it as 'isnt illegal'? Fascinating insight.

You know why its a grey area ive said it numerous times, hoepfully the Clarity Act will fix it but Presidents arent held to the same standards, how many times do i have to repeat it?

Did you just make the claim politicians are corrupt, because they gain from making laws? THATS MY WHOLE SCHTICK FFS hahaha im politican skeptic, your the one who defends one side of the isle, i slate them all hahaha i have no words!

1. Just agree, drop the ego!

2. To blame Trump for a lack of insight over crypto is wild, there is a million things to consider, noone knows who will have regilatory power (SEC or CFTC) and the US government are a million miles away from proper regulation. Infact you could argue Bidens stance on no new laws was stupid, and paved the way for this not being resolved.

3. What world events happened between 2016 and 2020 when Trumps wealth consistently dropped while in office? Infact id have to go check but didnt he lose 600m first year in office? And nearly half of that 2nd year? The pandemic cant be blamed on that, im sure there was a number of factors, but losing the head of an empire absolutely must have contributed.

4. It doesnt matter, that was just for fun.

Aw hilarious. Please point to the last time you linked to one of your own sources for anything.

Again nuance Harry, I've asked you multiple times to think about the difference and you seem incapable so try again, why might I say "not illegal" vs "legal"? Come on, you deem yourself the master of nuance so you should be able to work out the distinction.

Ah again the trick of not answering and then claiming you have.

"THATS MY WHOLE SCHTICK FFS" no, your whole shtick is that they are all as bad as each other, MY schtick is that there are differences. You know, I have the nuanced view whilst you paint them all with the same brush.

1. Yes, you should drop the ego of thinking everyone else is the problem and not you.
2. Finally some progress. I don't blame Trump for the fact crypto is unregulated (although I blame him for doing nothing to rectify that), I DO blame him for therefore using it as a vehicle for corruption.
3. Prior to the pandemic there were already talks on an impending recession and early signs of economic problems. To claim Trump not being involved in the day to day running of his businesses (which itself is laughable as it's highly likely he was still involved) was the major factor in the drop is hilarious. Owners of large organisations aren't involved in the day to day running of things, they are only involved at the most high level strategic thinking. Either the organisation was having problems anyway or Trump as the top really is involved in the day to day running and in which case his sons were grossly incompetent when he took over. The vast majority of his wealth was lost due to the pandemic, which was in full swing before he left office.

So do you accept something can be legal and corrupt?

 

[dirty harry]

Haha. Does taking out the word “just” make any meaningful change?

Harry admitted that Trump coin is “super borderline disgraceful”, then immediately brushed it off as “ the grey area billionaires live in.” You couldn’t make it up.

Yes adding just is a big issue, plus adding your own context to make the quote something else entirely...

You dont have to have integrity, its fine, you just misquoted me and changed the context to suit your argument... an argument you aligned with me hahahahaha

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yes adding just is a big issue, plus adding your own context to make the quote something else entirely...

You dont have to have integrity, its fine, you just misquoted me and changed the context to suit your argument... an argument you aligned with me hahahahaha

I didn’t put my spin in quotation marks though did I.

You wouldn’t even get a retraction in print media for that as there was no meaningful change to what you were saying.

Your point was that while the crypto stuff is bad it’s, I don’t want to say the word “just” lol, the grey area that billionaires operate in. So what you gunna do, right. It’s just how it is. lol

You going to answer any of my questions? Nope. Thought not.

 

[dirty harry]

Happy 4th July to all the Americans here, especially @ChicagoKid !

 

[Seeker]

I love hot dogs on the 4th!

 

[mackerzz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwykq59jwpvo

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwykq59jwpvo
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Decided it's time to drop the markets again

 

[Gavin]

Pearl Harbor 2.0

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Biden would have, rightly, been lambasted as senile for that....and in a previous age of politics would have had to issue an apology

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

They

Biden would have, rightly, been lambasted as senile for that....and in a previous age of politics would have had to issue an apology

Get brushed off as minor errors and one offs, except these one offs keep happening. He kept confusing Greenland and Iceland not long ago, he's apparently developed kleptomania like symptoms (occurs with people with dementia) and frequently had uncontrolled bouts of anger (also common with people suffering dementia).

There was a case recently where he apparently struggled reading a children's book...

His mind is clearly going but, as you say, there are massive double standards between him and Biden.

 

[dirty harry]

They

Get brushed off as minor errors and one offs, except these one offs keep happening. He kept confusing Greenland and Iceland not long ago, he's apparently developed kleptomania like symptoms (occurs with people with dementia) and frequently had uncontrolled bouts of anger (also common with people suffering dementia).

There was a case recently where he apparently struggled reading a children's book...

His mind is clearly going but, as you say, there are massive double standards between him and Biden.

Whats the double standards?

Opponents stated Joe was senile, Democrats, media and his supporters went to bat for him.

Now Trumps wobbling, opponents are calling him senile, MAGA are going to bat for him.

Seems like if Trumps situation is declining, and it may well be, but not in any clear standard Bidens did (yet), then his situation is looking mighty similar to Bidens.

In about 2 years when Trump is falling off bikes, wandering around stages, talking to dead people and reminiscing about 50s gangsters and kids stroking his leg hairs a bu ch of Fox news journalists will hastily write a book and pretend theyd been fighting for the truth to come out for years...

 

[dirty harry]

Biden would have, rightly, been lambasted as senile for that....and in a previous age of politics would have had to issue an apology

By who?

 

[Welsh Exile]

The problem with Trump is that he’s going senile and he’s stupid.

 

[dirty harry]

The problem with Trump is that he’s going senile and he’s stupid.

Arguably, but someone who is treated the same as Biden on the senility issue.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Arguably, but someone who is treated the same as Biden on the senility issue.

Y'all aren't even discussing the single biggest story in American politics right now: Graham Platner.

 

[Saintjay]

Y'all aren't even discussing the single biggest story in American politics right now: Graham Platner.

When nobody in America cares about your President sexualy assaulting people

Why would we care about some no-mark Democrat doing it.

We know Trumps been ordered to pay the 5 million to Carroll now, so there is that.

 

[Tomma235]

When nobody in America cares about your President sexualy assaulting people

Why would we care about some no-mark Democrat doing it.

We know Trumps been ordered to pay the 5 million to Carroll now, so there is that.

Be interesting to see how he gets out of it but I'm sure he will.

 

[dirty harry]

Y'all aren't even discussing the single biggest story in American politics right now: Graham Platner.

Is he the biggest story... hes been a train wreck for ages, I dont think the story is about him, its more about the imploding nature of the Dems, and their inability to get out of a political food fight, and stand for something progressive, instead of looking across the isle and eother mudslinging or jelously repkicating whats happening.

The Guardian released a great peice about him thos morning, ill see if i can find it.

Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...in-grave-danger-of-blowing-it-in-the-midterms