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wigan_rlfc

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Originally posted by NZL fan+Jul 21 2004, 10:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NZL fan @ Jul 21 2004, 10:03 PM)</div>
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@Jul 19 2004, 06:13 PM
Both games are very good at different points. 

League is tight making tackling hard important.  Union is more open making safe tackling more important.

League emphasises continual movement as a team as one on defence.  Union has consistently restructuring in positions with defence.

Both codes have patterns for attack.  The main difference is Union drastically revamps it's attacking strategies according to the score while League will not vary too much in attack whether they are 50 points in front or 50 points behind.

Both codes have excellent kickers though Union needs more of it's personnel to have a decent kick.

Both codes have excellent passers though League needs more of it's personnel to have a good pass.

League has a simple clear understanding of the tackle situation while Union interpretaion of the tackle situation can vary immensely.  This is because League has an almost no contest of the ball policy while Union stresses the fair but slightly uneven contest at the tackle.  League allows for the opportunity for eveness in possession where victory is based on usage of that opportunity while Union bases victory on amount of possession first.  Union needs heavier penalties at it's tackle ball situation (instant yellow card) to clean it up from professional fouls.

League calls for a high specialisation of a limited amount of skills while Union calls for balanced overall skills.  Good players from both codes are the ones who expand on these fundamentals.

Most popular World Cup:                                  Union (RWC)
Most Popular International Regional Comp:        Union (S12)
Most Popular International Comp:                     Union (6 Nations)
Most Popular National Comp:                            League (Telstra Premiership)
Most Popular National Rep Comp:                      League (State of Origin)
Agree with everything apart from the telstra premiership being the most popular national comp - it is now no different then the the super 12 - ie. it now includes the New Zealand warriors who are not nationals of Australia, and based in Auckland, New Zealand, and a Wellington team is one of four new teams being considered in the expansion........... [/b]
A Wellington team would be nice, Aukland will now have a rival oin their own country.

But if you listen to Ripper no one will actually care about them.
 
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Originally posted by St_Helens_RLFC@Jul 22 2004, 10:38 PM
I doubt very highly that this Ranfurly Shield effort generates more interest than a Trans Tasman league test....
The top ranfurly clashes EASILY generate more interest then trans tasmen league clashes...........

NZL vrs Aussie league tests have virtually bugger all interest when played in Aussie, and when played in New Zealand are generally played at a smaller capacity venue ie. North Harbour stadium.

Major ranfurly shield matches sell out our major stadiums, in some cases more tickets would have been sold if our ground's capacities had been higher.........
 
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captainamerica

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Originally posted by NZL fan+Jul 23 2004, 08:18 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NZL fan @ Jul 23 2004, 08:18 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-St_Helens_RLFC
@Jul 22 2004, 10:38 PM
I doubt very highly that this Ranfurly Shield effort generates more interest than a Trans Tasman league test....
The top ranfurly clashes EASILY generate more interest then trans tasmen league clashes...........

NZL vrs Aussie league tests have virtually bugger all interest when played in Aussie, and when played in New Zealand are generally played at a smaller capacity venue ie. North Harbour stadium.

Major ranfurly shield matches sell out our major stadiums, in some cases more tickets would have been sold if our ground's capacities had been higher......... [/b]
Ha!

Point. Union.
 
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Ripper

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Originally posted by wigan_rlfc+Jul 23 2004, 01:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wigan_rlfc @ Jul 23 2004, 01:53 AM)</div>
Originally posted by NZL [email protected] 21 2004, 10:03 PM
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@Jul 19 2004, 06:13 PM
Both games are very good at different points. 

League is tight making tackling hard important.  Union is more open making safe tackling more important.

League emphasises continual movement as a team as one on defence.  Union has consistently restructuring in positions with defence.

Both codes have patterns for attack.  The main difference is Union drastically revamps it's attacking strategies according to the score while League will not vary too much in attack whether they are 50 points in front or 50 points behind.

Both codes have excellent kickers though Union needs more of it's personnel to have a decent kick.

Both codes have excellent passers though League needs more of it's personnel to have a good pass.

League has a simple clear understanding of the tackle situation while Union interpretaion of the tackle situation can vary immensely.  This is because League has an almost no contest of the ball policy while Union stresses the fair but slightly uneven contest at the tackle.  League allows for the opportunity for eveness in possession where victory is based on usage of that opportunity while Union bases victory on amount of possession first.  Union needs heavier penalties at it's tackle ball situation (instant yellow card) to clean it up from professional fouls.

League calls for a high specialisation of a limited amount of skills while Union calls for balanced overall skills.  Good players from both codes are the ones who expand on these fundamentals.

Most popular World Cup:                                  Union (RWC)
Most Popular International Regional Comp:        Union (S12)
Most Popular International Comp:                     Union (6 Nations)
Most Popular National Comp:                            League (Telstra Premiership)
Most Popular National Rep Comp:                      League (State of Origin)

Agree with everything apart from the telstra premiership being the most popular national comp - it is now no different then the the super 12 - ie. it now includes the New Zealand warriors who are not nationals of Australia, and based in Auckland, New Zealand, and a Wellington team is one of four new teams being considered in the expansion...........
A Wellington team would be nice, Aukland will now have a rival oin their own country.

But if you listen to Ripper no one will actually care about them. [/b]
When the Warriors played at Westpac this year the place was empty...
 
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Ripper

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Oh Fiddlesticks, looks like I was wrong about the Warriors all along, We better brace ourselves for Leagues takeover in NZ...

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Financial losses mount for Warriors
16 July 2004
By EDWARD ROONEY

Successful signings of big names to join the Warrior rugby league team next season bode well for the future - but the club remains with a troubling current status to contend with.

Going into a home game this Sunday against the South Sydney Rabbitohs, the Vodafone Warriors are likely to lose up to $200,000 hosting the match.

Chief executive Mick Watson addressed some of the most faithful fans at the last home game, against the Parramatta Eels on July 3, and it was clear the hardcore supporters were frustrated to boilover point.

A key concern raised at the pre-game meeting in the Mad Butcher Lounge was a lack of information coming from the club executive to season ticket holders. One supporter spoke of hearing conflicting reports through the media and not being able to verify anything through the Penrose offices.

Watson admitted the communication lines between club and fans has been less than ideal and it would be something he will be looking into.

However, he said the management structure is strong and he is confident any "wrinkles can be ironed out".

Watson said the club is losing between $150,000 and $200,000 each home game and this is an ongoing concern. The Eels game may have even lost more as just 6391 people turned up in appalling weather to watch the Warriors notch up one of the few wins of the season.

The crowd numbers are regularly at less than 7000 this season - 6793 walked in to watch the Cowboys game on June 20 and 6967 turned up to the Raiders game on June 6.

The drop in attendance is occuring in all parts of the ground, from the cheap seats in the north and south stands to the corporate boxes in the west stand. Anecdotal evidence from caterers in the main stand reveals fewer staff are needed to look after the boxes as some are empty during games.

The signing of power forwards Reuben Wiki and Steven Price this week will undoubtedly attract more interest next season, but it looks likely the Warriors will need to cop the losses for the remainder of 2004.


I hope next year will be a better year and the new boys (Price,Wiki) will help the Warriors back to the top[/b]
 
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THE CHIROPRACTOR101

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Originally posted by captainamerica+Jul 23 2004, 09:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (captainamerica @ Jul 23 2004, 09:14 AM)</div>
Originally posted by NZL [email protected] 23 2004, 08:18 AM
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@Jul 22 2004, 10:38 PM
I doubt very highly that this Ranfurly Shield effort generates more interest than a Trans Tasman league test....

The top ranfurly clashes EASILY generate more interest then trans tasmen league clashes...........

NZL vrs Aussie league tests have virtually bugger all interest when played in Aussie, and when played in New Zealand are generally played at a smaller capacity venue ie. North Harbour stadium.

Major ranfurly shield matches sell out our major stadiums, in some cases more tickets would have been sold if our ground's capacities had been higher.........
Ha!

Point. Union. [/b]
i told ya so......yeah i agree that other teams should be winning this...im going for taranaki and b.o.p to beat auckland

rugby is a game for everyone unlike league....there are specialist positions for everyone
the fatguy=prop
the tall skinny lanky guy=lock
the big guy whos really quick and fit=the number8
the guys who love to tackle=flanks
the small guy who can pass and likes to hide behind the bigger guys=halfback
the kicker=1st5
the guy who does a bit of everything=2nd5
the speed powerhouse in the middle=the centre
the guys who are really fast and dont wannabe near all the hectic play=wingers
the guy who observers, from the back=fullback

i dunno just wanted too type
 
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Dragon Fanatic

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Two things;
The NRL is not a National comp but then again it is still more popular than S12.

The second is that gay shield. I have never heard of it before and the Union buff Wally hasn't either. No way in the world would it create more interest. Maybe in NZ but only 4 million people live there. There would be more people who would care about the Trans Tasman tests combined in Australia and NZ then would care about the Ranfurly shield. I even asked Eastsrules about it and he didnt know what it was. What you Leaguies would do without me!

League has just rightfully snaked that point back Ripper my friend.
 
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Wally

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Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 23 2004, 08:54 PM
Two things;
The NRL is not a National comp but then again it is still more popular than S12.

The second is that gay shield. I have never heard of it before and the Union buff Wally hasn't either. No way in the world would it create more interest. Maybe in NZ but only 4 million people live there. There would be more people who would care about the Trans Tasman tests combined in Australia and NZ then would care about the Ranfurly shield. I even asked Eastsrules about it and he didnt know what it was. What you Leaguies would do without me!

League has just rightfully snaked that point back Ripper my friend.
Where the f*** did you get that from? If you include interest from South Africa and New Zealand the Super 12 burns the NRL in popularity.

I think they were saying that the Ranfurly Shield generates more interest in New Zealand then international league matches.
 
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Zambaman

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Two things;
The NRL is not a National comp but then again it is still more popular than S12.

The second is that gay shield. I have never heard of it before and the Union buff Wally hasn't either. No way in the world would it create more interest. Maybe in NZ but only 4 million people live there. There would be more people who would care about the Trans Tasman tests combined in Australia and NZ then would care about the Ranfurly shield. I even asked Eastsrules about it and he didnt know what it was. What you Leaguies would do without me!

League has just rightfully snaked that point back Ripper my friend.[/b]
Crowd figures say otherwise. 21,537 people turned up to watch this year's match between the Kangaroos and the Kiwis in Newcastle. Not very many when you consider that's in League territory and you wouldn't stand a **** show in hell of getting anywhere near that many going to see the match in New Zealand. Then consider that for the big Shield matches in NZ that the Stadiums get sold out. You're talking in the region of 50k in Auckland (I think) and 38,500 down here in Christchurch. That's a bit of a caning really.



Source of that 21k attendance figure, to show I'm not pulling it out of my arse.
 
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St Helens RLFC

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I'm not an ignorant person and I'd never heard of the Ranfurly Sheild. I'll take your word for it regarding attendence.
 
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Dragon Fanatic

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Umm champ Energy Australia stadium doesn't take much more than that and the game was a sellout.
 
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Dragon Fanatic

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Originally posted by Wally+Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Dragon Fanatic
@Jul 23 2004, 08:54 PM
Two things;
The NRL is not a National comp but then again it is still more popular than S12.

The second is that gay shield. I have never heard of it before and the Union buff Wally hasn't either. No way in the world would it create more interest. Maybe in NZ but only 4 million people live there. There would be more people who would care about the Trans Tasman tests combined in Australia and NZ then would care about the Ranfurly shield. I even asked Eastsrules about it and he didnt know what it was. What you Leaguies would do without me!

League has just rightfully snaked that point back Ripper my friend.
Where the f*** did you get that from? If you include interest from South Africa and New Zealand the Super 12 burns the NRL in popularity.

I think they were saying that the Ranfurly Shield generates more interest in New Zealand then international league matches. [/b]
OK, if Super 12 is so popular why do the anti-siphoning laws do not take it in so it can be shown on FTA.
 
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Wally

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If I remember rightly you were the one that originally compared the two by saying the NRL was more popular. I just pointed out that it is not so.
 
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Wally

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Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 24 2004, 08:39 PM
Umm champ Energy Australia stadium doesn't take much more than that and the game was a sellout.
It sits 30k so how could it be a sell out?
 
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incredible_holc

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wally here your wrong, atm EA stadium only takes 21000. After its upgrade is complete it will hold around 30 000
 
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Wally

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Originally posted by incredible_holc@Jul 24 2004, 09:51 PM
wally here your wrong, atm EA stadium only takes 21000. After its upgrade is complete it will hold around 30 000
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AUS Newcastle Knights RLC  Newcastle EnergyAustralia Stadium 28 000 1970 10 000[/b]
 
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incredible_holc

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i can bet my life on it atm that it holds around the 22000 mark.

it will after its finished hold 30 000
 
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Ripper

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Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 24 2004, 08:39 PM
Umm champ Energy Australia stadium doesn't take much more than that and the game was a sellout.
Which leaves the question - why wasnt it played in a bigger stadium? Most Blediose Cup tests can sell out Telstra Stadium and since its in the middle of League Terrortairy theres no reason why that farce you lot like too call international league shouldnt as well
 
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NZL Fan

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Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic+Jul 24 2004, 08:46 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dragon Fanatic @ Jul 24 2004, 08:46 PM)</div>
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 09:41 PM
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@Jul 23 2004, 08:54 PM
Two things;
The NRL is not a National comp but then again it is still more popular than S12.

The second is that gay shield. I have never heard of it before and the Union buff Wally hasn't either. No way in the world would it create more interest. Maybe in NZ but only 4 million people live there. There would be more people who would care about the Trans Tasman tests combined in Australia and NZ then would care about the Ranfurly shield. I even asked Eastsrules about it and he didnt know what it was. What you Leaguies would do without me!

League has just rightfully snaked that point back Ripper my friend.

Where the f*** did you get that from? If you include interest from South Africa and New Zealand the Super 12 burns the NRL in popularity.

I think they were saying that the Ranfurly Shield generates more interest in New Zealand then international league matches.
OK, if Super 12 is so popular why do the anti-siphoning laws do not take it in so it can be shown on FTA. Considering that the NRL has 26 rounds and the Super 12 is 11 and played in spring I can't see how you can compare the two? [/b]
I find it interesting that on one thread Dragon fool is comparing NRL and Super 12, whilst on another thread he argues that they shouldn't be compared...............

Super 12 is not more popular then NRL IN AUSSIE, but WORLDWIDE has far more interest...........

I'd be mildly suprised if there is such a thing as a "gay shield" that Dragon fool hasn't heard of it.........


Rugby union get 50,000 points for that............
 
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