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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby @ Nov 14 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 14 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 14 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Smoking is pathetic and anyone who does so is a selfish prick given the carcinogenic elements and the proven risks of passive smoking.[/b]


Show me one piece of scientific evidence, shithead.

Bet you can't find any anything that's not circumstantial or presumptuous.
[/b][/quote]

- Passive smoking is a lie.
- The Earth is flat.
- Dinosaurs are a conspiracy.
- Evolution is rubbish.
- Scientology makes total sense.
- Sceances are 100% real.

I could continue, but this is just a fraction of the things people are willing to believe if they are in denial.

How anyone could possibly believe that inhaling someone elses smoke is any better than smoking directly is beyond me. It's the same stuff. It doesn't magically lose its potency once it hits the air and drifts towards someone else.
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What I said was GIVE ME PROOF. There is none.

All these statistics about smoking kills are also fiddled... If you go into hospital and are diagnosed with any sort of heart or lung problem as a 70 year old man, they will ask you if you ever smoked. "yes, a couple when I was a teenager but I haven't touched one for 40 years" could be the answer, but they will still put your illness down to being smoking related.

And do you know who the chief sponsor of the anti-smoking organizations such as "Ash" are? The companies that produce nicotine replacement patches.

I'm not saying smoking isn't harmful (then again, so is walking down a busy road... BAN CARS!), but it's the arseholes in society that love to stigmatize that give it such a bad press. It's far too politically incorrect to pick on other races or homosexuals now, so they need a new victim of their self-important egos. Smokers are therefore fair game.
 
Smoked for 7 years from the age of 16. Managed to quit around 6 months ago, and I'm so glad I did. My throat no longer feels constantly blocked, I can run without collapsing in a heap after 5min, basically the best thing I did, save sh*t loads of money too. I do still crave a ciggy now and then, but the cravings don't last long.

I used to smoke alot of the green aswell, when I was going through sh*tty times in uni, it helped pass the day away....., but ultimately made everything worse, it's fine in moderation, but alot of people struggle to keep it to moderation in my experience.

Agree with Webby, passive smoking is obviously bad (even if they can't prove it 100%), how can it not be?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sambãd5 @ Nov 14 2008, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
yeah smoking is like so, 1985. its not cool. its an expencive habbit both, $20 a packet, or whatever it costs, and to the taxpayer. smoking is a burden on society. it costs soooo much for someone to be hospitalised because of lung cancer its not even funny, and before you get in a tanty - YES SMOKING GIVES YOU CANCER, and YES I KNOW THAT CIGGERETTES ARE HEAVLY TAXED BUT - the medical costs still greatly outway the 70%tax on cigggerettes.

as for the "green stuff" sure i can imagine that most people around here would be under20. and sure its part of growing up. but really, its immautre and for the weak and patetic. my flatmate has just started again, and theres nothing worse than waking up with a mess of food everywhere from the munchies, and smelly burnt sprite bottles used as a makeshift bong. i mean grow up. or at least have some class and get a pipe to keep it disgreet, and have some consideration for the non-losers. but yeah go, go pay the gangs wages then complain why you are intimidated by them.



yeah basically, have some class. dont smoke. anything. when youve got a drug record and cant get a visa then whos fault will it be?[/b]


as for the alcohol sure i can imagine that most people around here would be under20. and sure its part of growing up. but really, its immautre and for the weak and patetic. my flatmate has just started again, and theres nothing worse than waking up with a mess of food everywhere from the munchies, and an stinky empty bottle of cheap gin. i mean grow up. or at least have some class and get expensive alcohol, and have some consideration for the non-losers. but yeah go, go pay the govt wages then complain why you are intimidated by them.

You know what ? If you have ever drank just one glass of alcohol, you can take this whole post, and put it right up in your arse ...People killed in drunk fights, families destroyed by alcoholism, people killed in car accidents due to alcohol, the list goes on and on...

Smoking weed and being a looser unable to clean his room are two different things...Every body knows you'd better not get drunk in the morning, or just before something important you have to do. Exactly the same with weed.

Anyway , to each one his opinion...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 14 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby @ Nov 14 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 14 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 14 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Smoking is pathetic and anyone who does so is a selfish prick given the carcinogenic elements and the proven risks of passive smoking.[/b]


Show me one piece of scientific evidence, shithead.

Bet you can't find any anything that's not circumstantial or presumptuous.
[/b][/quote]

- Passive smoking is a lie.
- The Earth is flat.
- Dinosaurs are a conspiracy.
- Evolution is rubbish.
- Scientology makes total sense.
- Sceances are 100% real.

I could continue, but this is just a fraction of the things people are willing to believe if they are in denial.

How anyone could possibly believe that inhaling someone elses smoke is any better than smoking directly is beyond me. It's the same stuff. It doesn't magically lose its potency once it hits the air and drifts towards someone else.
[/b][/quote]

What I said was GIVE ME PROOF. There is none.

All these statistics about smoking kills are also fiddled... If you go into hospital and are diagnosed with any sort of heart or lung problem as a 70 year old man, they will ask you if you ever smoked. "yes, a couple when I was a teenager but I haven't touched one for 40 years" could be the answer, but they will still put your illness down to being smoking related.

And do you know who the chief sponsor of the anti-smoking organizations such as "Ash" are? The companies that produce nicotine replacement patches.

I'm not saying smoking isn't harmful (then again, so is walking down a busy road... BAN CARS!), but it's the arseholes in society that love to stigmatize that give it such a bad press. It's far too politically incorrect to pick on other races or homosexuals now, so they need a new victim of their self-important egos. Smokers are therefore fair game.
[/b][/quote]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/3235820.stm

Presumably this doesn't count though because the BBC are somehow biased?

If people want to smoke then that's their call. It is also the choice of those who don't smoke whether they want to go and stand next to someone who does when they are outside. However, it's irresponsible to claim that passive smoking will have no ill effects.

Smoking but allowing for the fact that not everybody enjoys the smell/taste/fumes etc is fine. Adults should be able to make their own choices. Becoming angry when someone else decides they don't want to experience these things with you is just closed-minded.

Dan's point about his asthma is case-in-point of what second hand smoke can do. Please don't try and dismiss it because you feel the need to defend your own decision to smoke.
 
I have nothing against people who smoke, I respect their decision, but I expect that same respect for my decision not to smoke. People who stand in the rain outside the building to light up? Fine, even if that means I have to walk through an enormous cloud of smoke to get in or out. People who decide that my face is the best place to exhale, or who don't feel the need to be careful with their cigarette, thus burning a hole in my belongings should grow a brain.

Never tried marijuana, but I know a lot of people who have, some of them use on a regular basis. Same as with alcohol, as long as you can keep control over yourself, why not? I think the medicinal use of weed should be researched more as it can do wonders to people who are in pain and have lost all appetite because of chemotherapy.

I spent about 4 months of my life smoking occasionally, the occasions being when le boyfriend was around (anyone who has ever kissed a smoker while being a non-smoker might understand why I picked up the habit.) When the relationship ended so did the smoking, after which I regained taste and smell after quitting. I can understand why someone would smoke, but I'm glad I never got addicted to nicotine.
 
My main concern is more about how smoking can affect you mentally.

My observation on cigarette smokers around me is that on the whole they generally have this sort of FTW type of attitude.  This I assume would probably arise from some sort of self loathing....which seems to be a typical symptom of addictive behaviour.  When anyone finds they are a slave to something and are powerless to stop it they start to have a not so positive view of the world where they just think "f**k it.  If I am gonna die I am gonna die doing whatever I want"

I have similar thoughts on people who smoke marijuana.  Though probably not to the same extent as marijuana is not as addictive as nicotine.  I agree with Sambad5 where marijuana is something that young people may use a lot when they are in their exploring stage of their lives.  It does open your mind to various perspectives and viewpoints (THC does that).  However to constantly go back to experiencing the mind altering states of marijuana is immature behaviour (just like constantly wanting to binge drink).  Mature adults (often older adults) do not require mind altering states all the time...because mind altering is NOT NORMAL for the brain to be in.  Mature adults have learnt to enjoy life and its variety in the state that is natural for the brain and body to be in...which is the sober state.

Therefore I would suggest that smoking cigarettes, marijuana and alcohol are the domain of the age group which are exploring.  Long term smoking of cigarettes, marijuana and binge drinking as a regular activity for adults who are older do suggest that emotionally and mentally things are not as they should be.
 
More and more medical reports are suggesting that marijuana and its like are actually more harmful than normal cigarettes, on a mental plane at any rate.
 
What does smoking do for you? I mean you give it money and it just gives you bad health in return.

My parents smoked there whole lives and its enough to put me off it.
 
Tried marijuana once, didn't get high. Felt like a waste.
Don't like the concept of smoking personally, wouldn't do it, but if others want to...go nuts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 15 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby @ Nov 14 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 14 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 14 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Smoking is pathetic and anyone who does so is a selfish prick given the carcinogenic elements and the proven risks of passive smoking.[/b]


Show me one piece of scientific evidence, shithead.

Bet you can't find any anything that's not circumstantial or presumptuous.
[/b][/quote]

- Passive smoking is a lie.
- The Earth is flat.
- Dinosaurs are a conspiracy.
- Evolution is rubbish.
- Scientology makes total sense.
- Sceances are 100% real.

I could continue, but this is just a fraction of the things people are willing to believe if they are in denial.

How anyone could possibly believe that inhaling someone elses smoke is any better than smoking directly is beyond me. It's the same stuff. It doesn't magically lose its potency once it hits the air and drifts towards someone else.
[/b][/quote]

What I said was GIVE ME PROOF. There is none.

All these statistics about smoking kills are also fiddled... If you go into hospital and are diagnosed with any sort of heart or lung problem as a 70 year old man, they will ask you if you ever smoked. "yes, a couple when I was a teenager but I haven't touched one for 40 years" could be the answer, but they will still put your illness down to being smoking related.

And do you know who the chief sponsor of the anti-smoking organizations such as "Ash" are? The companies that produce nicotine replacement patches.

I'm not saying smoking isn't harmful (then again, so is walking down a busy road... BAN CARS!), but it's the arseholes in society that love to stigmatize that give it such a bad press. It's far too politically incorrect to pick on other races or homosexuals now, so they need a new victim of their self-important egos. Smokers are therefore fair game.
[/b][/quote]

so you can deny the potential effects of smoking, thats your choice.. but you cant deny how much money it takes from peoples pockets.

People who smoke a packet a day would be spending $100 a week on smokes alone, which is a huge amount of money for anyone, which then equates to more than $5000 a year. How much money have you spent in your whole life on smokes mite?

I think people are smart enough these days to realise its not worth smoking to damage your health and the costs are too much on already tight budget to pay bills, mortgages and other needs.
 
Really? I spent £10 on a 50g pouch of tobacco on monday and still over half left. I'm hardly a student when it comes to my roll-ups either.

If people thought like that, beer, petrol, pudding, mobile phones and condom sales would all also go through the floor. Amongst every other 'non-essential' (in the hunter-gather sense of the word).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Nov 14 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Tried marijuana once, didn't get high. Felt like a waste.
Don't like the concept of smoking personally, wouldn't do it, but if others want to...go nuts.[/b]

You can't of had the right stuff there RC. Last time I had some (after a long while of not having any), took three tokes to get pretty mellow. In my 'smoking alot' phase, used to take several bong hits! Mary J has a big bearing on mental health if you smoke too much, trust me. But this seems similar to alcohol (though alcohol is alot less addictive), so not sure how bad it really is.

Laecta, I have always gotten annoyed at smokers who have no respect for other people and blow their smoke in your face (suppose these people would be inpolite in general though, whilst drving etc), even when I smoked myslef, ****** me off something chronic (get the pun :) ). I was always a 'polite' smoker, making sure I blew it up in the air, or waited for passers by to go before exhaling.

I never noticed much difference in taste or smell after quiting, just in how I generally felt. I feel more awake in the mornings, the nicotine rush of that first ciggy on the way to work in the morning before having anything to eat really used to send me to sleep. I have less sore throats, don't have to clear my throat every 5min and generally regained quite a bit of fitness that had long since gone. Everyone who smokes should quit imo, feels so good. This is coming from someone who didn't particulary want to quit, just randomly asked the doctor for some patches when I was seeing him for something else and never looked back (they helped hugely).
 
I only smoke weed in moderation. In most cases it kills peoples motivation but not me, where as I might have a bit with some mates during stressful times at uni and it mellows me out. I wake up the next day with a clear head ready for studying/what ever.

I have probably smoked it about 10 times this year which is nothing. As I said, moderation is key. If your in a good head space and your not a chronic depressive then I see nothing wrong with it.
 
I know some people who have moved to NZ and ended up quiting smoking because the government taxes the **** out of it. Here in SA your average box of 20 cigs costs US$2 (R20). And that's expensive! It used to cost R12 about 2 years ago if I remember correctly. I just know the prices cause my friends belly ache over them all the time.
And well, weed is even cheaper than that. You can get a moderate handful for $1 (R10). It's dirt cheap here because the rural black locals love the stuff, it's very much part of their culture. Shaka Zulu and his troops used to smoke it up through a deer horn before a battle haha.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 15 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Really? I spent £10 on a 50g pouch of tobacco on monday and still over half left. I'm hardly a student when it comes to my roll-ups either.

If people thought like that, beer, petrol, pudding, mobile phones and condom sales would all also go through the floor. Amongst every other 'non-essential' (in the hunter-gather sense of the word).[/b]

If condoms are still considered an non-essential item by the majority, then I don't want to know how much money goes into treating STDs each year.

I can understand why people would smoke, if you're not used to nicotine the effects can be pretty strong, By the time you get used to them you're addicted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Laetca @ Nov 15 2008, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If condoms are still considered an non-essential item by the majority, then I don't want to know how much money goes into treating STDs each year.[/b]

I'm sure the Catholics would have an argument for that.
 
Warnings about passive smoking make sense in really confined environments, like pubs and living rooms. Apart from that, I don't believe the theory.

Anyway, smoking is deeply smelly and uncool, so don't do it.

But ... [takes long, deep drag] ... if you must, then pop plenty of vitamin C pills, eat healthy, and buy over the internet from eastern Europe at 40% of UK price.
 
took up smoking in 1997 as an 18 year old. mainly because all my friends at uni smoked. gave up in 2006... been over 2 years now and i could never go back to the ****. i feel 1000 times fitter and healthier than when i smoked. smoking is for the tip
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (InsaneAsylum @ Nov 16 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
took up smoking in 1997 as an 18 year old. mainly because all my friends at uni smoked. gave up in 2006... been over 2 years now and i could never go back to the ****. i feel 1000 times fitter and healthier than when i smoked. smoking is for the tip[/b]

Good to hear IA.
 

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