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Is this the Tory version of Jim Jordan saying he didn’t speak to Trump on January 6th 2021?
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Question for British posters not from NI. Do any of you want NI in the union and if so why?
It's long been thrown in the face of unionists/loyalists that they want to be part of a union that doesn't want them or simply doesn't care. The issues are generally ignored until they become out of hand which adds credence to this.
It's long been thrown in the face of unionists/loyalists that they want to be part of a union that doesn't want them or simply doesn't care. The issues are generally ignored until they become out of hand which adds credence to this.
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If I had to be totally honest No. NI has never really figured or affected me in anyway. If it were to become part of a United Ireland, it would have a more psychological blow with the UK beginning to break up than anything - assuming Scotland would follow in the next 50 years.
Once upon a time l, yes due to the selfbdeterminism of majority of NI (even if is slim) still wanting to be part of the union.
In recent years especially with this and the previous Conservative government its been clear they have zero care in the world for the relative peace gained eventually through the GFA. Also its clear the DUP do not care for maintaining that peace as well.
It my assessment Ireland would be a far more safer and better for everyone unified as one.
This said I also think the UK is a complete shitshow currently and am only still here due to wife, family and friends. A decade ago I'd certainly of been looking to emigrate.
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No. Nothing against Northern Irish but I think splitting Ireland originally was wrong and that reunification is inevitable. May as well get it over with. I also feel Britain will cease to exist in my lifetime so N.Ireland will end up as it's own country anyway and may then choose reunification of it's own accord at that point.
I'd like to believe the era of sectarian division driving Irish politics is in the past and they can form a nation of Protestants and Catholics. Clinging to that division in the modern world would be frankly embarassing.
In the grand scheme of things: no
It's pretty ridiculous to see the Island split like that
Realistically I want whatever NI wants/votes for
If they want to leave then good, if they want to stay then they're more than welcome to
Though either result would leave a lot of people very angry
In the long run I think unification would be better for NI than this sort of limbo Brexit has left them in
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Cheers guys. Confirming what o thought was a popular view for the most part
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Agree with this.
Referenda are incredibly divisive and as we saw with IndyRef1 and Brexit - the latter especially.
Scotland and NI have cultural ties historically and I can see them leaving the UK in relatively quick succession of one another (like within 10-20 years). This Tory Government (with someone like BoJo at the helm) plays right into the hands of the SNP. I don't even think Keir Starmer as PM would be able to turn things around given Labour's standing north of the border. No British PM would want to lose a home nation under their watch - I imagine it would result them having to resign.
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Will just come out and provide the token centre right opinion on here - strong disagree with the sentiment on here (perhaps because of family and military ties) but NI is as much a part of the UK to me as Birmingham, Glasgow or some random Welsh village. Its not a rational, tally of benefits vs negatives, its just part of the country.
It doesn't particularly affect me personally - but...
I think NI should do what NI wants to do - be that a full part of the union, a devolved part of the union, a separate entity of it's own, or a unified island of Ireland.
That said, my personal, and disaffected preference would be as a devolved part of the UK (within the EU) as I feel we're simply stronger together. But that's a purely UK perspective. From an Irish or NI perspective, a unified Ireland just makes more sense (and the division in the first place was always just stupid IMO).
Also worth noting, cards on the table, that I favour devolution England into Wessex, Mercia, Northumbria and London as well; with more power held by county councils. I just prefer a stratified, coalitionary, pyramidal structure of government.
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My personal opinion is that nationality is an outdated concept that humans need to start moving away from if they are to survive as a species. Realistically, that's unlikely as hell, so I'll go with the people of NI should be free to determine that and it's irrelevant what I think. Personally they are pretty much ignored and left on their own anyway unless it's politically convenient. I reckon 99% of the rest of the UK wouldn't notice much difference.
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I do wonder how UK could have fared with a Federal structure.
First few centuries - internicine warfare.
last 50 years or so - probably significantly better, and more fairly
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Depends how it was split. Realistically England would have had to be split up to make a federal system workable.
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Do you care that it is part of your country as a result of illegal plantations and strong discrimination?
Again just trying to understand the position.
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I mean, if we take that policy, most countries in the world would no longer exist.
Bloodshed and brutality are tropes of nation building internationally
That would require English schools being taught more than a miniscule of Irish history. We did for GCSE but even then it was a very brief touch blink and you miss it stuff. We did absolutely nothing on Wales though. Scotland a lot more covered but only because of the Stuarts and still from the English perspective.
My wife is reading history with the OU currently and she's just a huge section on Ireland (and did large sections last year). Just looks up occasionally and 'no wonder everyone ******* hates us'.
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I was referring to a Federal structure of the home nations. And even Ireland before they seceded. But a moot point given England’s history with Ireland.
Federal structure for England. Yep, that would be interesting given how other regions continually complain of power being concentrated in London. Mayors in different cities is a de facto version.
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I mean if it was federal before Ireland gained independence, it still would have been unworkable. You either would have had massive over-representation by the non-English nations to compensate for their much lower population or you would have had England dominating the whole thing due to having more population than the rest combined. England would have had to be split up to make it work, which itself would have been controversial. If you broke up each nation to have equal size regions, you basically just have the same as we have now but with larger "constituencies".
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