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A Political Thread pt. 2

You'd have thought they'd be pretty anti-what-Russia-is-doing considering they have multiple territories that would want to follow the Ukrainian separatist regions and break away (Tibet, Taiwan etc.)
It did look, a few days ago, that they were telling Russia to chill out but then news today is saying that they're going to help Russia manage against western sanctions (though that could just be because they can see monetary gain from that)
I'd have thought they'd be pretty pro-what Russia is doing.
If it works, they'll take Taiwan (which is already separate, but China wants it).
As for Tibet - they want independence, not vassalage to a much bigger neighbour instead of the current overlords.

How the rest of the world reacts to Russia will be the precedent for future expansions, for Russia and China predominantly.
 
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So Trump is praising Putin as a "genius", Tucker Carlson has been defending Putin and Russia and House Republicans have spent more time attacking Biden than Putin. If there was any remaining doubt about where the loyalty of Republicans in the USA lie, wonder no more. They are so far gone they would rather Russia prevail than Democrats do.
 
So Trump is praising Putin as a "genius", Tucker Carlson has been defending Putin and Russia and House Republicans have spent more time attacking Biden than Putin. If there was any remaining doubt about where the loyalty of Republicans in the USA lie, wonder no more. They are so far gone they would rather Russia prevail than Democrats do.
Farage been doing the same as well
 
So Trump is praising Putin as a "genius", Tucker Carlson has been defending Putin and Russia and House Republicans have spent more time attacking Biden than Putin. If there was any remaining doubt about where the loyalty of Republicans in the USA lie, wonder no more. They are so far gone they would rather Russia prevail than Democrats do.
Where is the Trump quote from? Last I saw was a full interview where that really wasn't the sentiment? If you legit think that the Rep Party would rather Russia won than the USA then you are being a bit delusional


Sorry I mean, ooh ohh how dare you score cheap political points at a time like this ;)
 
Johnson addressing the nation this morning followed by MP's.

Hopefully he'll do more than spit into the ocean.
We are bit part players in this. The EU and US have led the way with sanctions. The only thing Boris can do get rid of some donor money.

Never in the history of Britain was it's standing government so under the thumb of a hostile foreign power.
 
Where is the Trump quote from? Last I saw was a full interview where that really wasn't the sentiment? If you legit think that the Rep Party would rather Russia won than the USA then you are being a bit delusional


Sorry I mean, ooh ohh how dare you score cheap political points at a time like this ;)

BUCK: Mr. President, in the last 24 hours we know Russia has said that they are recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine, and now this White House is stating that this is an “invasion.” That’s a strong word. What went wrong here? What has the current occupant of the Oval Office done that he could have done differently?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, what went wrong was a rigged election and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing. I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.

By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy that says, you know, “I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,” he used the word “independent,” “and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.” You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.


You are confusing "Cheap political points" based on a hypothetical take on what an individual might do with ACTUAL things ACTUALLY being said. There's a difference. It was very much Trumps sentiment and no the Rep Party would not rather Russia won than the USA, but they WOULD rather Russia won than the Democrats. The stupid ******* is still going on about rigged election claims years on in the middle of a ******* war starting! Do explain how Trump's sentiment here isn't trying to claim Putin is smart, this should be a laugh.
 




You are confusing "Cheap political points" based on a hypothetical take on what an individual might do with ACTUAL things ACTUALLY being said. There's a difference. It was very much Trumps sentiment and no the Rep Party would not rather Russia won than the USA, but they WOULD rather Russia won than the Democrats. The stupid ******* is still going on about rigged election claims years on in the middle of a ******* war starting!
Right ok so none of that says that he would prefer Russia than the dems, he's just talking about the Putin playbook being quite good at hoodwinking morons and russian apologists (Young Labour, Stop the War, Corbyn and Abbot to name a few). You can read it to suit your agenda if you like but you know that's not what it means.
 
Right ok so none of that says that he would prefer Russia than the dems, he's just talking about the Putin playbook being quite good at hoodwinking morons and russian apologists (Young Labour, Stop the War, Corbyn and Abbot to name a few). You can read it to suit your agenda if you like but you know that's not what it means.
And I never said he said he would prefer Russia to the dems, I said that is the general Republican standpoint. He ******* said "oh that's wonderful" to describe what Putin is doing and you are now here trying to pretend otherwise? Seriously don't get what you get out of defending the indefensible. You also seem to have forgotten what Trump did as president, like openly stating he trusted what Putin was telling him above what his own intelligence agencies were telling him. But no doubt you will pretend that also didn't happen...

As for the Russian playbook hoodwinking apologists, you realise the investigation into this (that the TORY party tried to suppress) and US intelligence says the prime targets of Russian support and disinformation have been right wing nationalist groups?
 
I mean Trump is repeating what a lot of people have said on here just turned up the romanticism (I don’t know if that’s a word) to 100.

Putin has been smart with getting what he wants
NATO and other Ukraine support has done **** all till it’s too late.

Maybe I read it wrong but trump wasn’t defending or supporting Putin. Even said wouldn’t happen on his watch sort of ****.
 
And I never said he said he would prefer Russia to the dems, I said that is the general Republican standpoint.
And I'm saying that ridiculous
He ******* said "oh that's wonderful" to describe what Putin is doing and you are now here trying to pretend otherwise?
And then went on to say it wouldn't have happened under his watch. You don't actually think he thinks it's wonderful? Like bro it's English GCSE level analysis there hahaha
As for the Russian playbook hoodwinking apologists, you realise the investigation into this (that the TORY party tried to suppress) and US intelligence says the prime targets of Russian support and disinformation have been right wing nationalist groups?
Yes, this is one of those horseshow intersections between the far left and right. Don't have to target people with disinformation if they hate the UK and west anyway





On a side note - NATO virtual summit will take place tomorrow which seems... lax? Can't see why it wouldn't be today
 
And I'm saying that ridiculous

And then went on to say it wouldn't have happened under his watch. You don't actually think he thinks it's wonderful? Like bro it's English GCSE level analysis there hahaha

Yes, this is one of those horseshow intersections between the far left and right. Don't have to target people with disinformation if they hate the UK and west anyway


On a side note - NATO virtual summit will take place tomorrow which seems... lax? Can't see why it wouldn't be today
If you think it's ridiculous then you haven't been paying much attention. Him saying it wouldn't have happened under his watch is his go to for everything that has happened under Biden. He clearly does think it's wonderful or he wouldn't have said it would he? He and many on the right are clearly gleeful at the idea of Putin "outwitting" Biden. The level of straw clutching you are showing to defend Trump is frankly pathetic.

Aha that's your attempt to respond to the fact the right is clearly being targeted? Another hypothetical. Notice how your response to very real accusations is to fabricate your own and claim it's the same.
 
If you think it's ridiculous then you haven't been paying much attention. Him saying it wouldn't have happened under his watch is his go to for everything that has happened under Biden. He clearly does think it's wonderful or he wouldn't have said it would he? He and many on the right are clearly gleeful at the idea of Putin "outwitting" Biden. The level of straw clutching you are showing to defend Trump is frankly pathetic.

Aha that's your attempt to respond to the fact the right is clearly being targeted? Another hypothetical. Notice how your response to very real accusations is to fabricate your own and claim it's the same.
lol what? I'm far, far from a Trump fan. Smh red curtains are clearly just red because they're red lol

No obviously the far right has been targeted. Nevertheless, Young Labour, Stop the war, Corbyn, abbot etc have all been spouting the same nonsense very publicly and most certainly not hypothetically - that's not fabrication at all. Either they have also been targeted or just believe it of their own accord, not sure which is worse tbh.
 
BJ statement is a whole lot of rhetoric really but that was to be expected as he hasn't been to parliament yet.

Unsure why we aren't getting the parliament adress and then a presser right after tbh
 
Agreed just dont understand why he's given a televised address at all to say **** all.
Can only assume it is an optics thing and that's all. It would look odd if he just didn't say anything all day and he'd have the classic crowds calling him a russian asset or smth but im not sure, but then surely just move commons business around and move 5pm up? Maybe waiting to coordinate with Washington etc so can't be earlier.

No idea, just have to wait ig
 
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