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Finally seeing some reporting on this in terms of estimates (the usually very slow, reactive reporting we have seen from day one in my opinion). I said hundreds of thousands of Chinese deaths conservatively as I didn't want to be alarmist. Estimates now around 2 million (which I think may also be conservative unless there is a newly dominant subvariant of Omicron that I'd far weaker than what Hong Kong experienced around March/April).

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...-china-loosens-covid-restrictions-2022-12-03/
Estimates converted into reality. Thankfully, it was a bit less than my novice prediction.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...inas-sudden-end-covid-curbs-study-2023-08-25/
I'm still mystified by the lack of almost any attempt by the media to try and investgate this man-made slaughter of the elderly by Xi as it unfolded. Sure, its a fairly closed society but its not yet North Korea.
 
In brighter news. Up here flu vaccines will be offered to over 50s but Covid vaccines only to over 65s. If anything says the health service considers Covid pretty much banal now, then treating it as less of a threat to 64 year olds than flu is surely. I do not have a problem with this at all and the American boosters reportedly tackle the latest Omicron subvariants.
 
Pro Wrestler Bray Wyatt died yesterday from a heart attack at age 36. Shortly after his death it was revealed that he had been dealing with Covid-19 which exacerbated an already existing heart issue.
 
In brighter news. Up here flu vaccines will be offered to over 50s but Covid vaccines only to over 65s. If anything says the health service considers Covid pretty much banal now, then treating it as less of a threat to 64 year olds than flu is surely. I do not have a problem with this at all and the American boosters reportedly tackle the latest Omicron subvariants.
Covid boosters to be available next year (probably) to purchase for those who won’t get it free. Suspect a combined flu-Covid vaccine. But how much? My local pharmacy charged £15 for flu shot 2 years ago. So a combined one £30? Enough to put off people needing it before another winter epidemic.
 
Covid boosters to be available next year (probably) to purchase for those who won’t get it free. Suspect a combined flu-Covid vaccine. But how much? My local pharmacy charged £15 for flu shot 2 years ago. So a combined one £30? Enough to put off people needing it before another winter epidemic.

The latest round of Covid-19 boosters are expected to be released in mid-September here in the USA. My guess is they'll be free, all the other ones have been.
 
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https://news.northwestern.edu/stori...r-minute-during-first-eight-days-of-symptoms/
COVID patients exhale high numbers of virus during the first eight days after symptoms start, as high as 1,000 copies per minute, reports a new Northwestern Medicine study.

It is the first longitudinal, direct measure of the number of SARS-CoV-2 viral copies exhaled per minute over the course of the infection — from the first sign of symptoms until 20 days after.

On day eight, exhaled levels of virus drop steeply, down to near the limit of detection —an average of two copies exhaled per minute.
 
Shockingly, the Nobel prize for medicine has gone to vaccine researchers, not YouTube uploader.


Nobel Prize Awarded to Covid Vaccine Pioneers
The physiology or medicine prize for Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman recognized work that led to the development of vaccines that were administered to billions around the world.



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/health/nobel-prize-medicine.html?
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe91p5gm97o
Seriously? Did any ******* politician keep their ******* messages about what they bloody did during the pandemic? I don't agree with it, but I can see that there is a very woolly argument that politicians would be afraid to say anything if they knew their messages would be read later. But how many of them have lied about it too? "Oh, I didn't delete my messages, they just disappeared from my phone by accident?" Rot starts from the top and poor work environments stem from poor leadership. Looking at the quality of our politicians it's no one the country's a ******* mess.
 
From the article "In the first nine months, the shots prevented more than 23m infections and 123,000 deaths in the UK" And they know this how? You can never know how many of anything you have prevented. How many concussions have been reduced by changes in head contact rules in rugby? How many crimes are prevented by police? There is no way to be sure. All these are is guesstimations and don't forget that many studies are funded by the same people with a vested interest in the outcome being a certain way.
 
Isn't it that the government basically gambled on the vaccine working and it did?
But the question is, Did it really work? Outside of the vulnerable populations did it make a difference? I know of multiple people that had more than one shot and still got COVID multiple times with symptoms that were the same as a common cold. Measles vaccines stop people from getting measles but this? Hard to say that it worked when people were getting still getting shot after shot and still getting COVID.

Or is the bigger and more cynical takeaway that politicians pushed questionable science (social distancing/masks/washing your groceries) and a rushed shot which at least in the US, don't know about the UK, made them tons of money and can't admit that they were wrong now or that they mislead people?
 
Measles doesn’t mutate, making it infinitely easier to develop an effective vaccine.

Who’s to say that the people who caught Covid and had cold symptoms wouldn’t have been worse without the vaccine?
 
Measles doesn't mutate, making it infinitely easier to develop an effective vaccine.

Who's to say that the people who caught Covid and had cold symptoms wouldn't have been worse without the vaccine?
Fair enough about the measles and the non-mutation I will agree with you there.

Your point about the symptoms is exactly my point. There is absolutely no way to know whether people would or wouldn't have gotten COVID nor is it possible to know what their symptoms would have been like if they did or did not get the shot. I never had the shot, got COVID twice and basically had a cold. A co-worker of mine couldn't get enough shots, got COVID three times and was dog sick each time.

I'm just saying that it is not possible to know with any certainty what the effectiveness was or if it was effective in any quantifiable way. It is all conjecture being sold as fact.
 
Fair enough about the measles and the non-mutation I will agree with you there.

Your point about the symptoms is exactly my point. There is absolutely no way to know whether people would or wouldn't have gotten COVID nor is it possible to know what their symptoms would have been like if they did or did not get the shot. I never had the shot, got COVID twice and basically had a cold. A co-worker of mine couldn't get enough shots, got COVID three times and was dog sick each time.

I'm just saying that it is not possible to know with any certainty what the effectiveness was or if it was effective in any quantifiable way. It is all conjecture being sold as fact.
I'll bite. Yes, you can't know 100% the exact numbers. However, by that logic almost every set of statistics is flawed. These statistics work because even if they are not 100%, they still give an accurate picture of the situation. Simple fact is that we need the data and we ignore the tiny margin of error because statistically it is irrelevant.
 

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