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[dirty harry]

Helped by the **** tapes and having the POTUS as a key asset.

For the record i looked for those tapes hard!!!! Having those and a Greta only fans are 2 things on my bucket list!

I would also say a key to implementing something like this would be to create an army of people in the west who think they’re all as bad as each other and constantly both sides everything and basically believe in nothing. Know anyone like that @dirty harry

The exact opposite, critical thought is king! The only person in the wrong in any argument, is the person who refuses to acknowledge any shred of credibility from their opponent (and Mctallsort)

 

[Welsh Exile]

For the record i looked for those tapes hard!!!! Having those and a Greta only fans are 2 things on my bucket list!



The exact opposite, critical thought is king! The only person in the wrong in any argument, is the person who refuses to acknowledge any shred of credibility from their opponent (and Mctallsort)

No, this is flawed thinking and not necessarily conducive with critical thinking. There’s plenty of people and arguments that deserve no consideration at all, wouldn’t you agree?

 

[dirty harry]

No, this is flawed thinking and not necessarily conducive with critical thinking. There’s plenty of people and arguments that deserve no consideration at all, wouldn’t you agree?

Being wrong is human nature, refusing to acknowledge any element of the opposing argument has any validity at all is a lack of empathy and honesty.

There's a big difference in both of these statements.

Example, take the BS that comes from some posters here, I still like comments that I agree with, those statements aren't lessend by the vulgarity of the commentors character.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Being wrong is human nature, refusing to acknowledge any element of the opposing argument has any validity at all is a lack of empathy and honesty.

There's a big difference in both of these statements.

Example, take the BS that comes from some posters here, I still like comments that I agree with, those statements aren't lessend by the vulgarity of the commentors character.

Again, I’ll point to MAGA people that say it’s fact the election was stolen because Trump said so. Where is the validity to this opinion. What about flat earthers or anti vaxers etc etc.

 

[dirty harry]

Again, I’ll point to MAGA people that say it’s fact the election was stolen because Trump said so. Where is the validity to this opinion. What about flat earthers or anti vaxers etc etc.

So you honestly believe that any MAGA supporter who uses, let's say the mail in ballot system, as a reference for election tampering, has no validity in that opinion. Not 1%, not even worth considering or doing a bit of research?

You would discount it without a second thought because its a MAGA supporter?

How much have you been trained to dehumanise these people?! It's scary how its not a political divide, those are people talking points in the pub and going home friends, its absolute war against the evil! I cannot get my head around that, and since I'm the only person here advocating both sides listening to each other I can only assume I'm in a unique position to highlight to you the other side has genuine and understandable opinions. Everything you've been told about them isn't true!

Aunt Bessie doesn't want to lynch black people, uncle Buck isn't all for nuturing queen people, despite what you've been told!

 

[Welsh Exile]

So you honestly believe that any MAGA supporter who uses, let's say the mail in ballot system, as a reference for election tampering, has no validity in that opinion. Not 1%, not even worth considering or doing a bit of research?

You would discount it without a second thought because its a MAGA supporter?

How much have you been trained to dehumanise these people?! It's scary how its not a political divide, those are people talking points in the pub and going home friends, its absolute war against the evil! I cannot get my head around that, and since I'm the only person here advocating both sides listening to each other I can only assume I'm in a unique position to highlight to you the other side has genuine and understandable opinions. Everything you've been told about them isn't true!

Aunt Bessie doesn't want to lynch black people, uncle Buck isn't all for nuturing queen people, despite what you've been told!

You seem to be misunderstanding me. I wouldn't demonise them as people, I would demonise their opinions that have no basis in fact or reality. And on top of that there is no willingness to engage with facts or reality.

So in your example, yes I would discount it completely as it's false and a lie but I wouldn't discount it because they're MAGA I dispute it due to the validity of the opinion which is why I asked you where is the validity in that opinion, or a flat earther, anti vaxer, white supremacist etc etc

 

[dirty harry]

You seem to be misunderstanding me. I wouldn't demonise them as people, I would demonise their opinions that have no basis in fact or reality. And on top of that there is no willingness to engage with facts or reality.

So in your example, yes I would discount it completely as it's false and a lie but I wouldn’t discount it because they're MAGA I dispute it due to the validity of the opinion which is why I asked you were is the validity in that opinion, or a flat earther, anti vaxer, white supremacist etc etc

You don't seem to understand, claiming they are people, but reiterating they are just mindless, non reality zombies is dehumanising. They are as smart as you are, they think the same, they act the same lol, they call you mindless sheep who just have a syndrome that makes you unable to acknowledge reality.

It's why I keep calling you both sides of the same coin, your arguments are the exact same, you refer to white supremacists, flat earthers and anti vaxxers, and they refer to people dressed as dogs, election fraudsters and US detractors.

In reality, your all about as right as you are wrong. You say Trumpnis a dictator, they hail him as a patriot, your both right AND your both wrong.

In reality, there have been hundreds of criminal convictions for voter fraud, fraud happens every 4 years, its pretty common place if not low in number in the grand scheme of things. Postal workers have been criminalised ect. So even though i disagree the election was stolen, voter fraud is a valid concern.

It gets more fascinating when you look at the optics, Democrats seem to publicly advocate for mail in voting, for easier and less restrictions on voting, and against voter ID. It's fair then for Republican voters to consider why Democrats want these things and why they fight against things like voter ID. MAGA see this as election tampering in general, and again there is validity no?

 

[Which Tyler]

 

[Welsh Exile]

You don't seem to understand, claiming they are people, but reiterating they are just mindless, non reality zombies is dehumanising. They are as smart as you are, they think the same, they act the same lol, they call you mindless sheep who just have a syndrome that makes you unable to acknowledge reality.

It's why I keep calling you both sides of the same coin, your arguments are the exact same, you refer to white supremacists, flat earthers and anti vaxxers, and they refer to people dressed as dogs, election fraudsters and US detractors.

In reality, your all about as right as you are wrong. You say Trumpnis a dictator, they hail him as a patriot, your both right AND your both wrong.

In reality, there have been hundreds of criminal convictions for voter fraud, fraud happens every 4 years, its pretty common place if not low in number in the grand scheme of things. Postal workers have been criminalised ect. So even though i disagree the election was stolen, voter fraud is a valid concern.

It gets more fascinating when you look at the optics, Democrats seem to publicly advocate for mail in voting, for easier and less restrictions on voting, and against voter ID. It's fair then for Republican voters to consider why Democrats want these things and why they fight against things like voter ID. MAGA see this as election tampering in general, and again there is validity no?

But sticking to the issues I’ve raised (election, flat earth, anti vax etc) only 1 side can be dealing with reality and fact so which one is it? You can’t both sides it this time mate. What’s your answer?

 

[dirty harry]

But sticking to the issues I’ve raised (election, flat earth, anti vax etc) only 1 side can be dealing with reality and fact so which one is it? You can’t both sides it this time mate. What’s your answer?

Hahaha that was world class avoidance lol. The issue is voting fraud and MAGA not havnt any hint of validity at all.

The options when it comes to the extremes, like anti vaxxers (I'm assuming you mean the OG version, not the new age, anyone who refused to take a non vaccine for covid), white supremacists and flat earthers is agree with them or deny they have a shred of validity in their arguments? Come on, why are you trying to make a nuanced discussion binary lol.

I would join their March, about as much as I'd wear a puppy outfit, and get walked down queen street to get a Karl Marx tattoo in my foreskin!

 

[Welsh Exile]

Hahaha that was world class avoidance lol. The issue is voting fraud and MAGA not havnt any hint of validity at all.

The options when it comes to the extremes, like anti vaxxers (I'm assuming you mean the OG version, not the new age, anyone who refused to take a non vaccine for covid), white supremacists and flat earthers is agree with them or deny they have a shred of validity in their arguments? Come on, why are you trying to make a nuanced discussion binary lol.

I would join their March, about as much as I'd wear a puppy outfit, and get walked down queen street to get a Karl Marx tattoo in my foreskin!

Sorry, can I just insist you answer this question please:

Is there any validity to the opinion that the 2020 election was rigged?

 

[Ddanno]

Sorry, can I just insist you answer this question please:

Is there any validity to the opinion that the 2020 election was rigged?

It's not an opinion, it's a straight up lie.

 

[General Melchett]

Don is now saying "We" as in "We have control of Iranian skies" and "We know where Iran's leader is"

Iran and Israel launch more attacks as Trump weighs US involvement

Iran and Israel continue strikes on Wednesday night, after Donald Trump says the US "may" join the Israeli attacks.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Sorry, can I just insist you answer this question please:

Is there any validity to the opinion that the 2020 election was rigged?

Very typical of dirty Harry, his inability to answer is telling in itself.

Also lol at him demanding "nuance", this from a guy who dismissed the entire content of a video because he didn't like the style of the first 2 minutes. You're wasting your time, the guy is just a wind up merchant and compete hypocrite.

 

[Welsh Exile]

It's not an opinion, it's a straight up lie.

Indeed.

He initially said

"The exact opposite, critical thought is king! The only person in the wrong in any argument, is the person who refuses to acknowledge any shred of credibility from their opponent (and Mctallsort)"

And all I was pointing out was there are times when that is certainly not the case and pointed out several examples, now he's moaning I'm making a nuanced discussion binary. I have no idea why he wouldn't just respond "sure, there's times when that's fair and appropriate however, generally speaking, trying to understand the other side in issues that are not conclusively right or wrong is a good idea" but he doesn't seem to want to say that.

 

[Ddanno]

Indeed.

He initially said

"The exact opposite, critical thought is king! The only person in the wrong in any argument, is the person who refuses to acknowledge any shred of credibility from their opponent (and Mctallsort)"

And all I was pointing out was there are times when that is certainly not the case and pointed out several examples, now he's moaning I'm making a nuanced discussion binary. I have no idea why he wouldn't just respond "sure, there's times when that's fair and appropriate however, generally speaking, trying to understand the other side in issues that are not conclusively right or wrong is a good idea" but he doesn't seem to want to say that.

I'm going to have to find you a better hobby. Do you like train sets?

 

[dirty harry]

Sorry, can I just insist you answer this question please:

Is there any validity to the opinion that the 2020 election was rigged?

Hahaha mate come on, weve answered this, its not a gotcha. There are lots of reasons why Republican voters would be concerned about election fraud, Democrats making the claim 2016 was stolen, including Hillary Clinton, the criminal conviction of fraud by postal workers, and counters, prominent Democrats pushing for mail in voting, and lessening the protections against fraud, the optics on election night, Trump leading until the mail in dumps caused a huge shift, Biden becoming the most popular president in history, despite his election campaign being to hide in the basement and not take interviews, the covering of windows in counting stations early hours in the morning, and social media and Trump feeding into valid concerns and coming up with wild theories and whipping up support for them. It was a highly tense, anxiety driven COVID era election, where Democrats were supporting rioting and looting.

So yes, the election was not rigged in my opinion, but I'm not enough of a psychopath to absolutely demolish the idea people had valid concerns about it, especially for the reasons leading into and post election.

Where i would agree, is anyone looking back and denying results today, of events 4 years ago aren't being honest in that. And I would lump Clinton, and Pelosi who both made statements this year about Trump stealing 2016. Infact Clinto has consistently refused to acknowledge Trump is legitimate.

Would you say Trump is a legitimate president?

 

[dirty harry]

Indeed.

He initially said

"The exact opposite, critical thought is king! The only person in the wrong in any argument, is the person who refuses to acknowledge any shred of credibility from their opponent (and Mctallsort)"

And all I was pointing out was there are times when that is certainly not the case and pointed out several examples, now he's moaning I'm making a nuanced discussion binary. I have no idea why he wouldn't just respond "sure, there's times when that's fair and appropriate however, generally speaking, trying to understand the other side in issues that are not conclusively right or wrong is a good idea" but he doesn't seem to want to say that.

Why are you cowardly appealing to the crowd for support hahahah

They'd argue the sky is pink if I remarked it being blue lol, that's low hanging fruit.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Hahaha mate come on, weve answered this, its not a gotcha. There are lots of reasons why Republican voters would be concerned about election fraud, Democrats making the claim 2016 was stolen, including Hillary Clinton, the criminal conviction of fraud by postal workers, and counters, prominent Democrats pushing for mail in voting, and lessening the protections against fraud, the optics on election night, Trump leading until the mail in dumps caused a huge shift, Biden becoming the most popular president in history, despite his election campaign being to hide in the basement and not take interviews, the covering of windows in counting stations early hours in the morning, and social media and Trump feeding into valid concerns and coming up with wild theories and whipping up support for them. It was a highly tense, anxiety driven COVID era election, where Democrats were supporting rioting and looting.

So yes, the election was not rigged in my opinion, but I'm not enough of a psychopath to absolutely demolish the idea people had valid concerns about it, especially for the reasons leading into and post election.

Where i would agree, is anyone looking back and denying results today, of events 4 years ago aren't being honest in that. And I would lump Clinton, and Pelosi who both made statements this year about Trump stealing 2016. Infact Clinto has consistently refused to acknowledge Trump is legitimate.

Would you say Trump is a legitimate president?

So is that a no?

I wasn’t saying people who had concerns (that’s you moving the goalposts) I’m saying people who believe the election was stolen which is an opinion that has no basis in reality or fact but I’m glad you agree that opinion has no validity. Could have just said so in a sentence or 2 though. No need for all the other guff

 

[Welsh Exile]

Did Hilary Clinton say the election was rigged and that she lost illegally? Did she also bang on about it for years?