I don't view it as a war anymore, wars tend to have more than one combatant.
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I mean these where orders from commanders not just nutters in the boots division
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So you think the orders were "kill the aid workers?"
The Brits, Americans, French and, as I say, every army in every war in history has killed aid workers/coviloans/their own soldiers? Do you say that all those other countries deliberately target aid workers and intentionally kill them or is it only Isreal?
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Are Hamas not combatants?
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Also, again not being funny, but if you think Isreal is carrying out a genocide then surely everyone should be supporting the chant of death to the IDF (it’s why this guy will never apologise)
I mean, if I was in the 40s I’d happily chant death to the Nazis as I would now. Nothing to be ashamed of there.
This is why I think pushing back on the framing that this isn’t a war and is a genocide is important. What exactly is wrong in chanting death to the IDF if they are targeting civilians and committing genocide?
I mean, if I was in the 40s I’d happily chant death to the Nazis as I would now. Nothing to be ashamed of there.
This is why I think pushing back on the framing that this isn’t a war and is a genocide is important. What exactly is wrong in chanting death to the IDF if they are targeting civilians and committing genocide?
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Two genocides don't make a... not? genocide?
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An important component of genocide is that you're targeting a specific group for racist/religious reasons or whatever. I think you could theoretically justify wiping out a military that is committing genocide under the guise of a war and say we're not targeting them because they're Jews we're targeting them because they're committing a genocide.
Fair point though.
I would add that I also don't think just targeting a military would be genocide like as stated in the death to IDF chant. He's not saying death to Israelis.
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They were almost 2 years ago. Don't see much sign of them fighting back right now
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They’re doing what they always do, hide in the tunnels they don’t let their civilians use and hope for as many Palestinian deaths as possible. That ain’t fighting in my book.
This is the best legal view i could find. #author isn't legal trained.
ministryofinjustice.co.uk
In conclusion by the author.
Bob Vylan's performance may potentially breach Sections 5, 18, or 4 of the Public Order Act 1986, depending on interpretations of intent, context, and impact. The "death to the IDF" chant is the most likely basis for any charges due to its explicit violent imagery, though proving incitement or hatred in a festival setting is challenging. The ongoing police assessment suggests no immediate charges, and any prosecution would need to balance legal thresholds with free speech considerations. The BBC faces separate scrutiny under Section 22, but this is less directly tied to Bob Vylan's actions.
Did Bobby Vylan and the BBC break the law at Glastonbury 2025 ?
The performance by Bob Vylan at Glastonbury 2025, where frontman Bobby Vylan (reportedly Pascal Robinson-Foster) led chants of “death, death to the IDF” and “from the river to the sea, Palestine wi…
ministryofinjustice.co.uk
In conclusion by the author.
Bob Vylan's performance may potentially breach Sections 5, 18, or 4 of the Public Order Act 1986, depending on interpretations of intent, context, and impact. The "death to the IDF" chant is the most likely basis for any charges due to its explicit violent imagery, though proving incitement or hatred in a festival setting is challenging. The ongoing police assessment suggests no immediate charges, and any prosecution would need to balance legal thresholds with free speech considerations. The BBC faces separate scrutiny under Section 22, but this is less directly tied to Bob Vylan's actions.
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Sounds about where I thought it would be.This is the best legal view i could find. #author isn't legal trained.
Did Bobby Vylan and the BBC break the law at Glastonbury 2025 ?
The performance by Bob Vylan at Glastonbury 2025, where frontman Bobby Vylan (reportedly Pascal Robinson-Foster) led chants of “death, death to the IDF” and “from the river to the sea, Palestine wi…
In conclusion by the author.
Bob Vylan's performance may potentially breach Sections 5, 18, or 4 of the Public Order Act 1986, depending on interpretations of intent, context, and impact. The "death to the IDF" chant is the most likely basis for any charges due to its explicit violent imagery, though proving incitement or hatred in a festival setting is challenging. The ongoing police assessment suggests no immediate charges, and any prosecution would need to balance legal thresholds with free speech considerations. The BBC faces separate scrutiny under Section 22, but this is less directly tied to Bob Vylan's actions.
I guess the BBC will be more of a matter did they show it live, did they have proper precautions, did they cut it when said precautions were deemed not good enough. ie. the exact same editorial decision they made over Kneecap.
That's my point dude
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Yeah, sorry, I phrased that badly. They’re not fighting but they need to be fought.
Otherwise it’s just a case of terrorism always wins. If we or any other western country ever gets attacked we just have to concede defeat.
Having said that, it’s not like you should be given carte blanch to eradicate whatever terrorist group at any cost which is why it’s important to keep Isreal and other powerful countries in check but there’s a sensible middle ground somewhere.
Yeah not a good day for the BBC on here today. Anyone would think we are all hot and bothered.
The guy makes the point more eloquently than I could. Incitement, racial hatred etc. All up to the police and CPS now i guess.
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I'm sure Israel would love people to equate 'death to the IDF' as antisemitic. It's their no1 propaganda method. "Any criticism of us is antisemitic."
Personally, (whilst I don't condone the sentiment) he is talking about a specific group within Israel which has been proven to commit war crimes. That's not antisemitic just because all members of the IDF are Jewish, it's their behaviour, which has been reprehensible, that has led to that chant. I don't agree they should be killed for their actions, but the ones who have committed the crimes should be punished.
Personally, (whilst I don't condone the sentiment) he is talking about a specific group within Israel which has been proven to commit war crimes. That's not antisemitic just because all members of the IDF are Jewish, it's their behaviour, which has been reprehensible, that has led to that chant. I don't agree they should be killed for their actions, but the ones who have committed the crimes should be punished.
Whataboutism at it's finest. Don't remember the British army killing a load of aid works then trying to cover it up, even in its worst days.
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I don’t think it was whataboutism. The implication from the post I responded to was that armies don’t kill aid workers, it’s easy to avoid doing that and it’s only Isreal that does this. I pointed out that Isreal likely, for the most part, kills aid workers for the same reasons the Brits, Americans, French etc etc have killed aid workers, either a war crime from an individual or a mistake in the fog of war.
I’m not an expert on military history but I’m sure, even a cursory bit of research would show the Brits have covered up lots of killings of unarmed civilians and the like, same for the Americans and any other army.
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I don’t think it’s anti semitic in itself but I’d put my house on that guy being anti semitic as ****.
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Netanyahu accused Britain and France of supporting Hamas just because they condemned the lack of aid getting into Gaza and told Israel things needed to improve. It's what he does - twists any incident or situation into something binary and antisemitic. I am always careful to make the distinction between Israel and it's Government.
Hamas are terrorist scum who deserve to be eliminated after October 7th but there is no doubt in my mind that Netanyahu has deliberately dragged the war out to:
1. Further his far right Govt's illegal expansionist policy
2. Avoid appearing in court to face the corruption charges so that he can cling onto power.
Is his mandate to govern even legit if he obtained power illegally using corruption? Every time there is talk of a truce he escalates or assassinates someone which raises the stakes and drags things out. I just don't believe he cares about the hostages and I wouldn't be surprised if he is actively sponsoring and assisting the settlers who are displacing Palestinians using violence in the west bank. The sooner Hamas and his administration are gone the better. Both are scum in my eyes.
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I agree that anyone proven to have committed war crimes should either be jailed for life or killed but if I thought it was an actual genocide (I.e top down systematic implementation of mass murder of Palestinians because they're Palestinians) I would support the sentiment of the chant. I honestly don't get why you lot don't support it. You've been banging on for weeks that the IDF are committing a genocide. As I say, if I thought that I'd support any action that would eradicate the IDF.
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