A Political Thread pt. 2

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Again I would like to see the sources backing up that 16-17 year olds are more gullible in this day an age.


Let's be real these are not from Gen Z

Now I could be wrong but can a 16 year old be eligible for tax? Not to sound all American but isn't there an argument about no taxation without representation?
I don't feel it like there would be a difference but I do feel for referendums like for example Brexit 17 year olds should've had just as much of a say than 71 year olds.

There is also an argument that if the previous generations had actually made the right decisions (Mine included) we properly wouldn't be in this mess currently.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I mean there are legitimate arguments for people of a certain age not being in touch with younger generations, however where I see the arguments differ is that one group has contributed for a lifetime, and despite losing touch deserve to have a say on who is in power in their vulnerable years, and the other needs to be safeguarded from themselves....

Let's be honest, if a tik tok trend to elect pozer, or chlorine Qisha popped up, they may well stand a chance of a local seat.

I guess a question for you is where is the safeguard on these older generations voting to protect their own interests (Triple locked pensions for example) rather than what might be more benefit to the country long term.

and what point does one cancel out the other? They have contributed a lot to society no doubting it BUT have also taken a lot of advantages from it espcially in regards to things as important as housing

It's a balance for me maybe 16 years old is one year too many, but I certainly don't see why 17 year olds couldn't vote considering they can get a full driving license.

 

[dirty harry]

I guess a question for you is where is the safeguard on these older generations voting to protect their own interests (Triple locked pensions for example) rather than what might be more benefit to the country long term.

and what point does one cancel out the other? They have contributed a lot to society no doubting it BUT have also taken a lot of advantages from it espcially in regards to things as important as housing

Thisnis where i get frustrated...

You blame elderly people from benefiting from better times, but better times are always around the corner. You slate boomers now, generation mars will be doing the same to gen z in 30 years.

Comparing a lifetime of effort, to half a decade of struggle is not fair.

My point though is not fairness, there should be safeguards against things like senility etc, but the chances of mobilisation en masse of 80 year olds compared to 16 is not comparable.

 

[Ddanno]

Old enough to be taxed, become a parent, begin military training = old enough to get a vote for me

 

[dirty harry]

Old enough to be taxed, become a parent, begin military training = old enough to get a vote for me

If your not smart enough to drive, acquire debt, drink, smoke, or crucially, do not have the capability to serve on a jury... then you are a child who is safeguarded against yourself.

 

[Saintjay]

Are there any decent young left wing Mp's coming through? Most of the well known one's are boomers if not older. Or they are currently suspended.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Thisnis where i get frustrated...

You blame elderly people from benefiting from better times, but better times are always around the corner. You slate boomers now, generation mars will be doing the same to gen z in 30 years.

Comparing a lifetime of effort, to half a decade of struggle is not fair.

My point though is not fairness, there should be safeguards against things like senility etc, but the chances of mobilisation en masse of 80 year olds compared to 16 is not comparable.

It's been more than half a decade though, This country has been on its knees since 2008. and then 9 years ago we got rid of the biggest thing propping our relevancy and economy.

Forgetting all that, it's literally the first generation in donkeys that will leave things worse off for the next generation. In previous times every generation builds on the next. What is going to built on this generation? Reality is all the positive outlooks is basically undoing everything that was done. Gen Z are the first to have it worse, then it gets progressively worse for each generation after.

 

[Ddanno]

Are there any decent young left wing Mp's coming through? Most of the well known one's are boomers if not older. Or they are currently suspended.

Darren Jones (Bristol) is very impressive but I think he's stitched into Starmer's corner

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Are there any decent young left wing Mp's coming through? Most of the well known one's are boomers if not older. Or they are currently suspended.

Nah unlike America which has a pretty interesting left movement happening the UK is very much lacking in charisma and full of people who have been PR trained to the point of exhaustion by the time they get out of Uni.

Maybe might change with the political climate now IDK.

No one to the level of AOC, Mamdani etc etc in terms of hype

 

[AlRums]

Well well well...

Isn't this embarrassing for you... again!

Im yet to see a constructive comment from you, its all 10 year old primary school insults lol

Funniest comment of the week

 

[Ddanno]

Funniest comment of the week

I don't engage with him directly anymore or even uncover his stupid posts. You can get an idea of the **** he's babbling from the replies

 

[dirty harry]

It's been more than half a decade though, This country has been on its knees since 2008. and then 9 years ago we got rid of the biggest thing propping our relevancy and economy.

Forgetting all that, it's literally the first generation in donkeys that will leave things worse off for the next generation. In previous times every generation builds on the next. What is going to built on this generation? Reality is all the positive outlooks is basically undoing everything that was done. Gen Z are the first to have it worse, then it gets progressively worse for each generation after.

This isnt true though is it, 2010 to 2020 were incredibly comfortable, and there was a lot of money to be made in property, business, investments, and newer things like crypto. In fact 2019 saw record employment, record unemployment, housholde financial assets, low based rates, and lending, 2019 was a pinnacle.

Not to mention the fact that more than half of youngsters are gifted deposits for houses, with the average being 55k. Thats one privileged generation by that stat alone no?

Gen Z are known as the privaliged generation, for a myriad of reasons

 

[dirty harry]

I don't engage with him directly anymore or even uncover his stupid posts. You can get an idea of the **** he's babbling from the replies

Wah wah wah....

Standard!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

This isnt true though is it, 2010 to 2020 were incredibly comfortable, and there was a lot of money to be made in property, business, investments, and newer things like crypto. In fact 2019 saw record employment, record unemployment, housholde financial assets, low based rates, and lending, 2019 was a pinnacle.

Not to mention the fact that more than half of youngsters are gifted deposits for houses, with the average being 55k. Thats one privileged generation by that stat alone no?

Gen Z are known as the privaliged generation, for a myriad of reasons

Ok now I get how out of touch you are.

Yeah, those years look fine and dandy on paper but literally everything you mentioned benefited the already wealthy or those with access to capital. For most younger generations, that was completely worthless.
In fact, that period sealed the **** conditions we're in now.
House prices outpaced wage growth, hence why mummy and daddy have to gift deposits just to get on their kids on the ladder. If that £55K stat is real, it doesn't prove privilege, it proves how broken the system is doesn't it, you know because previous generations didn't need the help since ermmm they could just afford it via their wage.

Crypto and the rest were speculative, short-lived bubbles. Most people couldn't even afford to take the risk unless they already had money to gamble.

Employment stats. How much are zero-hour contracts (Read that within the last 25 years zero hour contracts rose by more than a million or 3% of the workforce now).

Then Covid hit. Then inflation. Then war. Climate crisis. Interest rate spikes. All of it crushed whatever chances were left.

My point still stands. Every previous generation had something to build on. Gen Z, by almost every metric, is starting from behind.
Home ownership. Wealth. Real earnings. Even the climate. Worse across the board.

So yeah, get off Facebook with that "privileged generation" crap. I've never heard anyone under 60 say that unironically. But pleaseeee do tell me what are these privileges?

 

[Ddanno]

Ok now I get how out of touch you are.

Yeah, those years look fine and dandy on paper but literally everything you mentioned benefited the already wealthy or those with access to capital. For most younger generations, that was completely worthless.
In fact, that period sealed the **** conditions we're in now.
House prices outpaced wage growth, hence why mummy and daddy have to gift deposits just to get on their kids on the ladder. If that £55K stat is real, it doesn't prove privilege, it proves how broken the system is doesn't it, you know because previous generations didn't need the help since ermmm they could just afford it via their wage.

Crypto and the rest were speculative, short-lived bubbles. Most people couldn't even afford to take the risk unless they already had money to gamble.

Employment stats. How much are zero-hour contracts (Read that within the last 25 years zero hour contracts rose by more than a million or 3% of the workforce now).

Then Covid hit. Then inflation. Then war. Climate crisis. Interest rate spikes. All of it crushed whatever chances were left.

My point still stands. Every previous generation had something to build on. Gen Z, by almost every metric, is starting from behind.
Home ownership. Wealth. Real earnings. Even the climate. Worse across the board.

So yeah, get off Facebook with that "privileged generation" crap. I've never heard anyone under 60 say that unironically. But pleaseeee do tell me what are these privileges?

Wasting your time Tigs. He knows everything and couldn't possibly be wrong.

 

[AlRums]

Wasting your time Tigs. He knows everything and couldn't possibly be wrong.

I agree

 

[AlRums]

Another key ally quits Netanyahu's governing coalition in a major blow to Israel's leader

A key governing partner of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it is quitting the government, leaving him with a minority in parliament.

apnews.com

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[ncurd]

So yeah, get off Facebook with that "privileged generation" crap. I've never heard anyone under 60 say that unironically. But pleaseeee do tell me what are these privileges?

He claims to be 40...

 

[General Melchett]

A 16 yo student should have just as much of a right to vote as a 16 yo working taxpayer. The student is essentially in the R&D stage of their future career and is proactively taking steps to ensure that they have the capability to fill roles that require qualifications which in turn will see them earn more and pay higher taxes. Further education should be viewed as an investment that will yield returns for that person and the Treasury/economy.

Now of course school leavers can go on to be successful and pay higher rate taxes but further education students shouldn't have inferior rights when it comes to voting because the economy would nosedive if everyone left school at 16.