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Sounds like who the Labour party prefer as well.

Podcast the other day saying the likes of Rayner / Philips are too female and working class to be considered leaders by senior Labour members. Bigger nail in the coffin if you are linked to a Union.

Yup. The Tories have less barriers for women - there's no doubt about that.

Labour's leader in Scotland is Muslim (Anas Sarwar) and I rate him highly as far as politicians go and think he'd make a decent FM.
 
Yup. The Tories have less barriers for women - there's no doubt about that.
Ive genuinely wondered why that's been the case. I think part of the issue was Blair/Brown dominating since Thatcher. So who are the female candidates in their ranks?

Dianne Abbott was never a credible candidate for the top job. No other woman ran during Millibans run.
Yvette Cooper is arguably the most likely woman rejected. However that was when they had the Corbyn rush to the head. Funny how they all like Brunham now...
Rebecca Long-Bailey was no where near ready nor was Lisa Nandy
It looks like Hariett Harman never wanted the top job should of definitely had it.

To the future I doubt we'll see Copper run again and Im unsure Phillips wants it. Which leaves Rayner and she's popular with the membership its question of if she'd with nationally. And I quite like her she definitely could do something.
 
Possibly but your political career would be in tatters as soon as word got out that you offered to let Harry bum you if Wales beat Scotland and Italy at the 6N.
My popularity would probably sore amongst certain sections of the Conservative Party. I’m bi-partisan bud. Bring people together, that’s what I’m all about.
 
Ive genuinely wondered why that's been the case. I think part of the issue was Blair/Brown dominating since Thatcher. So who are the female candidates in their ranks?

Dianne Abbott was never a credible candidate for the top job. No other woman ran during Millibans run.
Yvette Cooper is arguably the most likely woman rejected. However that was when they had the Corbyn rush to the head. Funny how they all like Brunham now...
Rebecca Long-Bailey was no where near ready nor was Lisa Nandy
It looks like Hariett Harman never wanted the top job should of definitely had it.

To the future I doubt we'll see Copper run again and Im unsure Phillips wants it. Which leaves Rayner and she's popular with the membership its question of if she'd with nationally. And I quite like her she definitely could do something.

Calibre of people (both men and women) is clearly an issue for both main political parties.
 
Calibre of people (both men and women) is clearly an issue for both main political parties.
I think its an issue across the board in all parties and definitely to do with who in their right mind would enter politics? Let alone who would rise to the top.

Reform: BWAAHAHAHAHAA
Green: Carla Denyer gone as co-leader just an MP now
SNP: Lost most talent got Stephen Flynn that's it
Lib Dems: Davey doing alright and Daisy Cooper is fine as well but not heavy hitters.
 
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I think its an issue across the board in all parties and definitely to do with who in their right mind would enter politics? Let alone who would rise to the top.

Reform: BWAAHAHAHAHAA
Green: Carla Denyer gone as co-leader just an MP now
SNP: Lost most talent got Stephen Flynn that's it
Lib Dems: Davey doing alright and Daisy Cooper is fine as well but not heavy hitters.

Yeah, probably is time for AI to take over.
 
Yup. The Tories have less barriers for women - there's no doubt about that.

Labour's leader in Scotland is Muslim (Anas Sarwar) and I rate him highly as far as politicians go and think he'd make a decent FM.
Is this Anas 'Pakistanis need to be in positions and corridors of power to get real power' Sarwar?
 
Nice try Harold. Not taking the bait.
Hahaha

It was tongue in cheek, I mean he did say those words, but he was pandering to a Pakistani audience.

Where i would criticise him, is the use of 'we' constantly, and making the claim that without Pakistani communities UK wide there wouldnt have been an NHS response to Covid, there wouldnt have been a vaccine rollout or food delivery's. I get he's pandering but noone truly believes that these things wouldnt have existed without the 1% odd of the country.

'the UK Pakistani community literally held this country going...' hahahaha that's harder core pandering than I expected
 
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The Tea party power grab was a result of Republicans failings though, and Obamas extended presidential powers. Had the Republican lies been successful and they won the presidency things wouldnt have gone the same way. This is more evidence that lieing about someone doesnt work, the same way Trump has great power, because the Dems strategy of lieing about every little thing, like project 2025 has been an abject failure.

Or are you claiming the Republican strategy was to lose both presidential elections against Obama?

I havnt made the assertion Republicans struggle defining what a woman is, you have. Why do I need to go find evidence of something that is not my assertion? If you feel Republicans cant define a woman, please provide an example or concede the point.

Wait, I didnt see Melania in the advert? She is the partner of a politician shot in the head in a failed assassination attempt, would i find it appropriate for this advert to feature AOC chasing Trump out of her town? Yes, its a cartoon skit, in which noone was hurt, noone was shot. Infact I think ive seen more violence in a child's cartoon.

Did you protest the movie Rango by any chance?

Trump is incredibly thin skinned, as are a number of Republicand and Democrats, but the perception is that MAGA country is far tougher than Dem country. Its a great marketing ploy from the Republicans, that has an element of truth, blown up to look like the norm. Look at comedy, it hasn't become left vs right, because in that scenario left wins hands down, but its been redefined as left vs non left. Democrats have knelt to too many radicals, and allowed their complaining and crying to represent them. Chappelle and Rogan are perfect examples, of lifelong Democrats and lefty luvvies who have been shunned, and deemed problematic, and now are defecto Republicans.l hahahaha
Marjorie Taylor Green was literally elected off the back of her reputation gained through the lie that Sandy Hook was a false flag to justify taking away guns...

I find it ironic you can say trump succeeded because lying doesn't work when he is by far the biggest liar in the arena. Trump proves lying DOES work, the man instigated Jan 6th through his lies, he got into power again by lying, he is distorting everything about the USA through lying. You are living in another reality if you want to claim it doesn't work. Trumps lies are succeeding because the Republicans laid the groundwork for years that outrageous lies were not only accepted but we're actively promoted in the party. The tea party movement was where that shift towards abandoning any pretence of integrity really happened. I'm amazed you keep ignoring the significance of all this, which was all built during the lies whilst Obama was in office. The Republican party post Obama was very very different to the Republican party pre Obama. To act like it was the left that pushed it there is laughable, they drove themselves there get willingly long before "woke" was even a widely used. Which was the big thing that first drove that? The birther claims.

I haven't made the assertion Republicans struggle to define a woman, I've made the assertion Republicans struggle to defend their definition when challenged. You HAVE on multiple occasions asserted they have no trouble defining a woman, and also have presented no cases of them doing it. The issue is Republicans are very rarely if ever challenged to defend their definition but if your want an example, look up when a Republican definition of a woman would have, by law, defined EVERYONE as a woman. They had absolutely no problem coming up with that definition, but it was also a bullshit definition. So do you put priority on how early they come up with a definition or do you put priority on how easily the come up with a definition that would work in law. Again, you are confusing their confidence in giving a definition with how correct that definition is. If Republicans all confidently stated a woman was someone with boobs the size of basketballs, would you argue that person does it doesn't have a problem defining a woman?

It's in bad taste and you know it.

Exactly PERCEPTION! Thank you! quite the turn around from you asserting Dems have no sense of humour and Republicans do, they're they are winning. You asserted Democrats lost because they became pearl clutchers whilst ignoring all the times Republicans did it. You asserted they lost for focusing on trans issues whilst Republicans went in about it more. You asserted they lost because of abandoning free speech whilst Republicans are the ones banning books and firing people who speak out. At long diving last are you going to accept it's purely the PERCEPTION of things and not the reality that matters? You know, that point I made ******* ages ago about the entire thing being the Republicans are winning because they have fully embraced utterly shameless lying and their lies are dominating.

We seem to have finally got there. Republicans are winning because they are better and more frequent liars with the biggest liar if the lot heading the cult.
 
Hahaha

It was tongue in cheek, I mean he did say those words, but he was pandering to a Pakistani audience.

Where i would criticise him, is the use of 'we' constantly, and making the claim that without Pakistani communities UK wide there wouldnt have been an NHS response to Covid, there wouldnt have been a vaccine rollout or food delivery's. I get he's pandering but noone truly believes that these things wouldnt have existed without the 1% odd of the country.

'the UK Pakistani community literally held this country going...' hahahaha that's harder core pandering than I expected
I think we can forgive him that can't we? I mean, he's doing his job. And at least he's not doing his job in the same way Fararge or Robinson do their jobs. He has some positive messages, bigging up a minority that has contributed (even if it was a bit overstated)

I don't know anything about him to be honest but seeing as he's a politician there must be some bigger stick to beat him with than this.
 
Marjorie Taylor Green was literally elected off the back of her reputation gained through the lie that Sandy Hook was a false flag to justify taking away guns...

I find it ironic you can say trump succeeded because lying doesn't work when he is by far the biggest liar in the arena. Trump proves lying DOES work, the man instigated Jan 6th through his lies, he got into power again by lying, he is distorting everything about the USA through lying. You are living in another reality if you want to claim it doesn't work. Trumps lies are succeeding because the Republicans laid the groundwork for years that outrageous lies were not only accepted but we're actively promoted in the party. The tea party movement was where that shift towards abandoning any pretence of integrity really happened. I'm amazed you keep ignoring the significance of all this, which was all built during the lies whilst Obama was in office. The Republican party post Obama was very very different to the Republican party pre Obama. To act like it was the left that pushed it there is laughable, they drove themselves there get willingly long before "woke" was even a widely used. Which was the big thing that first drove that? The birther claims.

I haven't made the assertion Republicans struggle to define a woman, I've made the assertion Republicans struggle to defend their definition when challenged. You HAVE on multiple occasions asserted they have no trouble defining a woman, and also have presented no cases of them doing it. The issue is Republicans are very rarely if ever challenged to defend their definition but if your want an example, look up when a Republican definition of a woman would have, by law, defined EVERYONE as a woman. They had absolutely no problem coming up with that definition, but it was also a bullshit definition. So do you put priority on how early they come up with a definition or do you put priority on how easily the come up with a definition that would work in law. Again, you are confusing their confidence in giving a definition with how correct that definition is. If Republicans all confidently stated a woman was someone with boobs the size of basketballs, would you argue that person does it doesn't have a problem defining a woman?

It's in bad taste and you know it.

Exactly PERCEPTION! Thank you! quite the turn around from you asserting Dems have no sense of humour and Republicans do, they're they are winning. You asserted Democrats lost because they became pearl clutchers whilst ignoring all the times Republicans did it. You asserted they lost for focusing on trans issues whilst Republicans went in about it more. You asserted they lost because of abandoning free speech whilst Republicans are the ones banning books and firing people who speak out. At long diving last are you going to accept it's purely the PERCEPTION of things and not the reality that matters? You know, that point I made ******* ages ago about the entire thing being the Republicans are winning because they have fully embraced utterly shameless lying and their lies are dominating.

We seem to have finally got there. Republicans are winning because they are better and more frequent liars with the biggest liar if the lot heading the cult.
Mate this is exhausting...

Trump wasnt a Republican, before MAGA the Republicans were dead in the water, Obama won twice, their base was literally dying off, they had no serious candidate in the primaries and Trump filled the void and made MAGA the new Republican party.

To say the Republicans were paving a way for Trump, by failing miserably at record rates, and being on life support is absolute nonsense. In fact the argument that Obama paved the way for Trump is much more valid, Trump has taken his expanded presidential powers, his immigration policy, and in fact used his hindsight failings as a route to near despot power.

2016 wasnt a year when clever Republican ground work put Trump in a great position hahahah it was sheer desperation Trump won the primaries, and then 12 months of him being laughed at, and his small base derided, which became distasteful and riled just enough Obama voters (go and Google Obama -Trump voters, its fascinating) to turn the tables.

Trumps victory was social media and Democrat led, and since that day November day, their strategy has been exactly the same as Republicans vs Obama. Twist everything he says into a lie, and ignore when it is proved wrong and move on to the next quote.

Look at the constant stream of links Alrums posts, he is probably the biggest Trump enabler on this thread, more so than Chicagokid. And that's the environment in large parts of the US, where his immigration policies are popular across the country.

You obviously view everything he says as a lie, because you've been conditioned that way, as MAGA believe every word he says because they have. If either of you took facts into consideration youd see the nuance...

Let take this, you made the claim Republicans couldn't back their definition, I havnt seen a single case so asked for a link or evidence. This still hasn't happened, you keep dancing around it, but back your claim up?

I cant keep going round in circles with such vitriolic delusion, if you want the likes of Trump to keep winning, just keep doing what your doing, defending criminals, advocating for representitives starting fights in car parks, making a claim that a cartoon skit is violence against Democrats, and making the claims that Trump is saying and doing what is clearly evidenced that he isnt.

I dislike Trump, but I guarantee you im going to dislike the next Republican (and probably Democrat) president more, because you (that's right you personally) have contributed to erasing the meaning of words, the meaning of truth, and the meaning of facts.

I'll keep being honest about the events i see, idiotic videos posted on this board of a child being abducted by ICE, that turn out to be Sherrifs rescuing her from a drug bust (which i didnt see you come out and decry BTW) or campaign ads including a light hearted skit about Democrats being run out of Arizona, that is called violence hahaha.

I suppose you condemned pro.inant Democrat celebrity's showing Trump dead, cutting his head off, shooting him, crowds chanting to blow up the whitehouse, or even the violent rhetoric from Democrats themselves? Harrass Republicans, find out where they live, put a bullseye on Trump.

You condemn all these events?
 
I think we can forgive him that can't we? I mean, he's doing his job. And at least he's not doing his job in the same way Fararge or Robinson do their jobs. He has some positive messages, bigging up a minority that has contributed (even if it was a bit overstated)

I don't know anything about him to be honest but seeing as he's a politician there must be some bigger stick to beat him with than this.

I dont know a lot about him, except for he considers himself Pakistani first, and New Scot 2nd apparently.

I'd say his comments in pandering to the Pakistani audience is exactly what Farage would say to his audience, infact probably word for word.

I think nit would be one thing to promote the effort of the Pakistani community, but to claim they single handedly kept the country going through covid, and if they want 'real power' they need to be in parliament but also for for the smaller council roles.

The term 'real power' is just a gift to Farage, the optics on that entire speach look terrible to be fair. Also the term that south Asians need to be 'decision makers' and that 'the change is coming' In relation to south Asian power... absolute gifts!

 
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