A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Anti Welsh rugby sentiment should 100% be a hatte crime, thats not speech thats hate

I would be in favour of a North Korea style system where no one can say anything bad about AWJ or Tipuric. You want to say “oh look Justin is on the wing again” then into the ******* gulag you go.

 

[Ddanno]

My point being unless you think he's an immediate threat to someone they could of arrested him at the courthouse.

Standard procedure if there's a warrant out for you and you head through passport control

 

[McTallshort]

Design by who?

The voices in Harry's head

 

[General Melchett]

The voices in Harry's head

Maybe Harry is Randy Orton. Banging tune that.

 

[dirty harry]

It's so hateful it earned an extra T, or did you feel the consonants to vowels ratio wasn't Welsh enough?

Thats raccism

 

[Welsh Exile]

The voices in Harry's head

If you were a Welsh rugby fan you’d have voices in your head too.

 

[Saintjay]

If you were a Welsh rugby fan you'd have voices in your head too.

Just listen to the ones telling you how to avoid stamp duty

 

[dirty harry]

Just listen to the ones telling you how to avoid stamp duty

Ah, the Rayner psychosis....

 

[Saintjay]

Ah, the Rayner psychosis....

Innocent mistake and incompetent solicitor or deliberate tax avoidance. Really depends on what side of the fence you sit.

Would the mistake have been corrected without it becoming public knowledge is a different question.

 

[ncurd]

Innocent mistake and incompetent solicitor or deliberate tax avoidance. Really depends on what side of the fence you sit.

Would the mistake have been corrected without it becoming public knowledge is a different question.

Would the mistake have even been spotted by Rayner?

Honestly reads like a complicated tax situation where the lawyer had tried to squeeze out every penny for Rayner as per thier job. Now whether they actually advised Rayner it was legally grey or not is another matter entirely.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Arresting comedians. Holy mother of Mary.

The UK is turning into the place the people on here claim is happening to America.

Time for a revolution.

 

[General Melchett]

Would the mistake have even been spotted by Rayner?

Honestly reads like a complicated tax situation where the lawyer had tried to squeeze out every penny for Rayner as per thier job. Now whether they actually advised Rayner it was legally grey or not is another matter entirely.

I don't think it's that complicated tbh.

When I bought a place in London a few years ago I was given a short questionnaire by my solicitor who was doing the conveyancing work and I had to declare if it would be my main residence that I intended to live in, was it my only property etc. They didn't offer my advice on how to minimise stamp duty. I had to answer questions and they calculated the stamp duty payable based on my responses.

 

[dirty harry]

Innocent mistake and incompetent solicitor or deliberate tax avoidance. Really depends on what side of the fence you sit.

Would the mistake have been corrected without it becoming public knowledge is a different question.

I dont really know enough of the story tbh, id give her some leeway, when advised by accountants or solicitors they usually present an option, and you ask if its legal, if they say anything other than no, then people are inclined to let them go for it.

But who knows really?

 

[ncurd]

I don't think it's that complicated tbh.

When I bought a place in London a few years ago I was given a questionnaire by my solicitor who was doing the conveyancing work and I had to declare if it would be my main residence that I planned to live in, was it my only property etc. They didn't offer my advice on how to minimise stamp duty. I had to answer questions and they calculated the stamp duty payable based on my responses.

If your seeking legal advice its the job of whoever your paying to give you sound legal advice. If you fill out a questionnaire wrong they should still be going over that with you to make sure its filled out correctly.

Anyway the complications im reffering to

The case was untypical because it involved her divorce, and a trust Rayner and her ex-husband had set up to provide for her son, who has lifelong disabilities.

Crucially, Rayner is adamant that she sought advice from a lawyer about the stamp duty liable, and has only now learnt from a different lawyer that that advice was wrong. It is on that basis that she is not resigning.

Angela Rayner's political future under threat after stamp duty admission

The deputy prime minister has referred herself for an ethics probe by the PM's adviser.

www.bbc.co.uk

Now the real question is in the first lawyer and if they were advised Rayner wrong or if she provided that lawyer with knowingly false information.

 

[ncurd]

This is why lawyer friends will regularly joke with the disclaimer "Not Legal Advice" to things.

 

[Saintjay]

If your seeking legal advice its the job of whoever your paying to give you sound legal advice. If you fill out a questionnaire wrong they should still be going over that with you to make sure its filled out correctly.

Anyway the complications im reffering to

Angela Rayner's political future under threat after stamp duty admission

The deputy prime minister has referred herself for an ethics probe by the PM's adviser.

www.bbc.co.uk

Now the real question is in the first lawyer and if they were advised Rayner wrong or if she provided that lawyer with knowingly false information.

According to Robert Peston it's pretty bog standard stuff for a property solicitor.

So I'm not sure even in this case or any case ignorance is a defence.

Solicitors jobs are to give advice and it's always the clients choice whether to accept it or not.

I would hope she'd take the moral and correct choice. Rather than the everyone else would do it choice.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-09-03/why-rayners-job-remains-in-peril

 

[General Melchett]

If your seeking legal advice its the job of whoever your paying to give you sound legal advice. If you fill out a questionnaire wrong they should still be going over that with you to make sure its filled out correctly.

Anyway the complications im reffering to

Angela Rayner's political future under threat after stamp duty admission

The deputy prime minister has referred herself for an ethics probe by the PM's adviser.

www.bbc.co.uk

Now the real question is in the first lawyer and if they were advised Rayner wrong or if she provided that lawyer with knowingly false information.

Re. the questionnaire, my solicitor was only able to do a completeness check i.e. had I answered all the questions (which IIRC were a few straight forward yes/no questions). She could not know whether I had answered accurately because it was a self declaration. I was responsible for the accuracy of the responses. She was responsible for ensuring that I answered all the questions.

I don't know the intricacies of Rayner's case and she may well have sought advice on other specific matters. I'm sure we will find out as more info comes to light.

 

[ncurd]

According to Robert Peston it's pretty bog standard stuff for a property solicitor.

A lawyer friend of mine basically said property solicitors are usually where the worst (academically) lawyers are. Which is why they regularly bungle house property sales and thing exchange days etc. get pushed out.

 

[ncurd]

Dan Neidle (@danneidle.bsky.social)

Founder of Tax Policy Associates Ltd. Tax realist. @danneidle on Twitter

bsky.app

This guy appears pretty sound on the whole matter. And is followed by a bunch of journalists.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

A lawyer friend of mine basically said property solicitors are usually where the worst (academically) lawyers are. Which is why they regularly bungle house property sales and thing exchange days etc. get pushed out.

It’s also because our property laws/processes are fiendishly complex to register. Lawyers or down the lower level conveyancers who handle residential are juggling multiple sales/purchases and then waiting on the other side.

I hated property law when I did it at degree level it was easily more worst subject and barely passed it.

Even now in tax, getting my head around leases and the tax consequences does my head in. CGT and SDLT.