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dirty harry said:
I mean its not, he was the most popular independent since what 1990, noone polled above 8% before he polled at what 18% in 2024. Thats some level of popularity for an independent, he was also appealing to a youthful audience on social media, and this despite his views on vaccines.

Is someone with no formal medical training becoming the head of the health and human serviceces unprecedented? In fact I can only think of one off the top of my head, Price, the rest are all from law and public office backgrounds from what im aware.

Is what RFK done with the vaccine commity legal? I get why it stinks, and im not on board with him in general about vaccines, but we've just been through an extremely dangerous time with regards to how medical science and vaccines (new and revised definition) were weaponised against the population for the greater good, im not against some skepticism in this regard.

But again, its like you started paying attention to American politics in 2016, with a view of the world is ending because of Trump, every president makes contraversial picks, every president extends power, and every president is touted as the guy who will start the downfall of the USA...

When the next Dem president comes along and Republicans are crying about it being the end of the USA etc, you'll be where I am now laughing at their claims, I promise you.
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Nowhere have I questioned his popularity prior to being in line for a position in the administration, I specifically said his views on medicine were moronic. This is little more than a red herring.

Again it's not just his lack of experience that's the issue, I again pointed out it's his lack of experience but also his undermining of those with experience that's the problem. He's not listening to the people who know what they are talking about. There's also a difference between merely being inexperienced / ignorant and being actively opposed to expertise or a dunning Kruger, RFK is the latter.

No it's not legal, that's why a chunk of it was overturned in court. The funny thing is red states refused to sue and go against Trump to get the funding back, blue states did. Now blue states have won their court cases and funding is being resumed but the red states have lost out, because ideology is overriding common sense.

I spent a year studying American politics as an academic subject back in 2009, which included separation of powers, how they've been abused and how power tends to shift between the executive and legislature. Fur a similar level of executive overreach and criminality you'd need to go back to Nixon.

I'm not saying RFK is the end of the USA, I'm saying he is a terrible choice who should be nowhere near making decisions on healthcare. You keep expanding this to be more than a commentary on his competence for the position he holds.

There are things he advocates health wise I can agree with, but I can't agree with him undermining professionals week work with this stuff day in day out whilst he clings to things like vaccines cause autism.
 
dirty harry said:
Is there a Republican, real or just Trump crony, that you like?
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A lot of the old school republicans, or Rhinos as they're called, aren't bad. In fact they're positively amazing now that Trump has lowered the bar of statesmanship and competence to a whole new level.

Same as the Tories over here. Grew up hating Major and Hague and what not but now I'd bite your arm off to have them back.
 
dirty harry said:
I mean its not, he was the most popular independent since what 1990, noone polled above 8% before he polled at what 18% in 2024. Thats some level of popularity for an independent, he was also appealing to a youthful audience on social media, and this despite his views on vaccines.

Is someone with no formal medical training becoming the head of the health and human serviceces unprecedented? In fact I can only think of one off the top of my head, Price, the rest are all from law and public office backgrounds from what im aware.

Is what RFK done with the vaccine commity legal? I get why it stinks, and im not on board with him in general about vaccines, but we've just been through an extremely dangerous time with regards to how medical science and vaccines (new and revised definition) were weaponised against the population for the greater good, im not against some skepticism in this regard.

But again, its like you started paying attention to American politics in 2016, with a view of the world is ending because of Trump, every president makes contraversial picks, every president extends power, and every president is touted as the guy who will start the downfall of the USA...

When the next Dem president comes along and Republicans are crying about it being the end of the USA etc, you'll be where I am now laughing at their claims, I promise you.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Watch as RFK Jr pressed on vaccines and CDC turmoil at Senate hearing

The health secretary says nobody knows how many Americans died of Covid - but accepts Covid vaccines saved "quite a few" lives.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Have a look through what's going there and tell me my criticism of RFK is unjustified.
 
I loved this bit

"He seemed to agree with the Republican Senator Bill Cassidy that President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for developing and rolling out Covid vaccines so quickly in 2020 and 2021."

The orange-utan will use anything he can
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Watch as RFK Jr pressed on vaccines and CDC turmoil at Senate hearing

The health secretary says nobody knows how many Americans died of Covid - but accepts Covid vaccines saved "quite a few" lives.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Have a look through what's going there and tell me my criticism of RFK is unjustified.
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So i saw that:

Covid vaccines saved quite a few lives - true

Noone knows how many people died from covid - true

Did the CDC fail people during covid - absolutely true!

Do I need to read on beyond the sensible statements at top of the page?

Is the USA the sickest country in the world - not really, but uncertainty of the developed nations!
 
Welsh Exile said:
A lot of the old school republicans, or Rhinos as they're called, aren't bad. In fact they're positively amazing now that Trump has lowered the bar of statesmanship and competence to a whole new level.

Same as the Tories over here. Grew up hating Major and Hague and what not but now I'd bite your arm off to have them back.
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Which Republicans specifically?
 
AlRums said:
I loved this bit

"He seemed to agree with the Republican Senator Bill Cassidy that President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for developing and rolling out Covid vaccines so quickly in 2020 and 2021."

The orange-utan will use anything he can
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I think Pfiser agree dont they?
 
dirty harry said:
So i saw that:

Covid vaccines saved quite a few lives - true

Noone knows how many people died from covid - true

Did the CDC fail people during covid - absolutely true!

Do I need to read on beyond the sensible statements at top of the page?

Is the USA the sickest country in the world - not really, but uncertainty of the developed nations!
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Meanwhile you seem to have missed:

"He seemed to agree with the Republican Senator Bill Cassidy that President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for developing and rolling out Covid vaccines so quickly in 2020 and 2021. At the same time, though, he again praised ivermectin, a drug pushed by conspiracy theorists in the pandemic that later proved to be ineffective against Covid."

"Monarez says she was "told to preapprove the recommendations of a vaccine advisory panel newly filled with people who have publicly expressed antivaccine rhetoric". She was fired because she refused to do so without a review of the science, she says."

"Democratic Senator Ben Ray Luján asks Kennedy about an upcoming study which RFK Jr has said will reveal the causes of autism, and gets into a furious back and forth about who is working on the study."

"Tillis says Kennedy has claimed scientists were lying at the hearing. "I'd just like to see the scientific evidence of that," Tillis says."

"Warner then pivots, asking how Americans can be healthy with potential cuts to Medicaid, the programme that offers health insurance to low-income and disabled Americans. "There are no cuts to Medicaid," RFK responds. "That is absurd," Warner says, continuing that he knows of rural hospitals which are going to close following the passage of Trump's budget bill earlier this year. Kennedy and Trump claim the so-called "Big Beautiful Bill" will give more money to healthcare. But the Congressional Budget Office estimates it will result in a gross reduction of $990 billion in federal Medicaid spending over 10 years, and will raise the number of uninsured Americans by 10 million, as explained in a Georgetown University report, external."

You also completely ignore the greater context of what he says. He says noone knows how many died as a way to undermine the claims about how many did. He has no contradicting evidence, he simply dismisses the evidence put in front of him. He says the CDC failed people, he fails to mention how Trump was consistently undermining them when they were trying to introduce quarantine measures and frequently lying to the American people about the importance of it.

Yes you do need to read beyond the "sensible statements" because you are missing a ton of other important stuff. We've been here before, stop doing this. Or do you think it's normal for the person heading up the department of health to fire the entire vaccine board and replace it with skeptics and deniers, at a stroke withhold funding for vaccines and medical funding, lie about the impact of the latest budget, promote disproven medical treatments, oversee the firing and resignation of multiple high level officials within the CDC and to received a letter signed by over 1000 people who work in the industry saying he's wholly unfit for the job and should resign? If you think that's normal then by all means find me comparable cases.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Meanwhile you seem to have missed:

"He seemed to agree with the Republican Senator Bill Cassidy that President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for developing and rolling out Covid vaccines so quickly in 2020 and 2021. At the same time, though, he again praised ivermectin, a drug pushed by conspiracy theorists in the pandemic that later proved to be ineffective against Covid."

"Monarez says she was "told to preapprove the recommendations of a vaccine advisory panel newly filled with people who have publicly expressed antivaccine rhetoric". She was fired because she refused to do so without a review of the science, she says."

"Democratic Senator Ben Ray Luján asks Kennedy about an upcoming study which RFK Jr has said will reveal the causes of autism, and gets into a furious back and forth about who is working on the study."

"Tillis says Kennedy has claimed scientists were lying at the hearing. "I'd just like to see the scientific evidence of that," Tillis says."

"Warner then pivots, asking how Americans can be healthy with potential cuts to Medicaid, the programme that offers health insurance to low-income and disabled Americans. "There are no cuts to Medicaid," RFK responds. "That is absurd," Warner says, continuing that he knows of rural hospitals which are going to close following the passage of Trump's budget bill earlier this year. Kennedy and Trump claim the so-called "Big Beautiful Bill" will give more money to healthcare. But the Congressional Budget Office estimates it will result in a gross reduction of $990 billion in federal Medicaid spending over 10 years, and will raise the number of uninsured Americans by 10 million, as explained in a Georgetown University report, external."

You also completely ignore the greater context of what he says. He says noone knows how many died as a way to undermine the claims about how many did. He has no contradicting evidence, he simply dismisses the evidence put in front of him. He says the CDC failed people, he fails to mention how Trump was consistently undermining them when they were trying to introduce quarantine measures and frequently lying to the American people about the importance of it.

Yes you do need to read beyond the "sensible statements" because you are missing a ton of other important stuff. We've been here before, stop doing this. Or do you think it's normal for the person heading up the department of health to fire the entire vaccine board and replace it with skeptics and deniers, at a stroke withhold funding for vaccines and medical funding, lie about the impact of the latest budget, promote disproven medical treatments, oversee the firing and resignation of multiple high level officials within the CDC and to received a letter signed by over 1000 people who work in the industry saying he's wholly unfit for the job and should resign? If you think that's normal then by all means find me comparable cases.
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He only cherry picks stuff that he agrees with, so that must be the whole truth

You should know that by now, you can't have any coherent conversation with him.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Meanwhile you seem to have missed:

"He seemed to agree with the Republican Senator Bill Cassidy that President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for developing and rolling out Covid vaccines so quickly in 2020 and 2021. At the same time, though, he again praised ivermectin, a drug pushed by conspiracy theorists in the pandemic that later proved to be ineffective against Covid."

"Monarez says she was "told to preapprove the recommendations of a vaccine advisory panel newly filled with people who have publicly expressed antivaccine rhetoric". She was fired because she refused to do so without a review of the science, she says."

"Democratic Senator Ben Ray Luján asks Kennedy about an upcoming study which RFK Jr has said will reveal the causes of autism, and gets into a furious back and forth about who is working on the study."

"Tillis says Kennedy has claimed scientists were lying at the hearing. "I'd just like to see the scientific evidence of that," Tillis says."

"Warner then pivots, asking how Americans can be healthy with potential cuts to Medicaid, the programme that offers health insurance to low-income and disabled Americans. "There are no cuts to Medicaid," RFK responds. "That is absurd," Warner says, continuing that he knows of rural hospitals which are going to close following the passage of Trump's budget bill earlier this year. Kennedy and Trump claim the so-called "Big Beautiful Bill" will give more money to healthcare. But the Congressional Budget Office estimates it will result in a gross reduction of $990 billion in federal Medicaid spending over 10 years, and will raise the number of uninsured Americans by 10 million, as explained in a Georgetown University report, external."

You also completely ignore the greater context of what he says. He says noone knows how many died as a way to undermine the claims about how many did. He has no contradicting evidence, he simply dismisses the evidence put in front of him. He says the CDC failed people, he fails to mention how Trump was consistently undermining them when they were trying to introduce quarantine measures and frequently lying to the American people about the importance of it.

Yes you do need to read beyond the "sensible statements" because you are missing a ton of other important stuff. We've been here before, stop doing this. Or do you think it's normal for the person heading up the department of health to fire the entire vaccine board and replace it with skeptics and deniers, at a stroke withhold funding for vaccines and medical funding, lie about the impact of the latest budget, promote disproven medical treatments, oversee the firing and resignation of multiple high level officials within the CDC and to received a letter signed by over 1000 people who work in the industry saying he's wholly unfit for the job and should resign? If you think that's normal then by all means find me comparable cases.
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I havnt missed anything, I didnt read on past the highlights at the top of the page that were mostly accurate commentary...

Lets take the first 2 claims though...

Trumps nobel prize for vaccine rollout. RFK, and Cassidy arent the only ones, lots of others agree with this, including numerous pharma companies no?

Ivermectin was prescribed millions of times, Ivermectin was never a drug pushed by conspiracy theories, it was used by plenty of medical professionals as part of a treatment plan for COVID, infact it was deemed a wonder drug pre pandemic on numerous occasions.
Wait, your not a 'its a horse dewormer' theorist are you?

What did RFK say specifically about Ivermectin in hos speech?
 
Welsh Exile said:
Yes. If I was American and my choice at the next election was between Donald Trump and Hannibal Lector I honestly wouldn't give it a seconds thought.
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I have no words, but I would suggest taking a break from the bombardment of Huff post and Daily Beast links posted here, because your sounding radicalised.
 

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