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Welsh Exile said:
I think he genuinely thinks both sides are as bad as each other and therefore most of the things they do are one in the same.

He might be right that peoples reactions can be very similar (we're humans after all) but to make a false equivalence like he did with the Biden comment as that proves his point how both sides react the same is silly. Different things warrant different responses.
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I never said Bidens comment and Trumps meme are the same, ive told you this. I dont understand why you constantly reframe what im saying to fit your argument, instead of just being honest.

The reactions are the same, I could have used Obamas birth certificate, Obamas tan suit, Biden speech using Nazi imagery, they arent the same, but the hysterical faux outrage by both Republicans and Democrats, and currently a lot of you, are exactly the same.

Infact a reporter just asked Trump when/if he was going to war with Chicago lol. Do you think that was an honest and genuine question, or a chance to trick Trump into a gotcha quote, or an outrage rant?

None of you think hes going to war with Chicago, the meme is either humour or rage bait to keep those who oppose him in the 'they are not serious people to listen to' camp to the general public. If CNN came out and laughed at the poster, but criticised the irresponsible use of imagery, and tone in the context of humour, calmly and rationally, it would go far further than what they actually do. The same way Fox news was reporting Biden threatened civilians with F15s, its all thebsame hysterical nonsense...
 
dirty harry said:
I never said Bidens comment and Trumps meme are the same, ive told you this. I dont understand why you constantly reframe what im saying to fit your argument, instead of just being honest.

The reactions are the same, I could have used Obamas birth certificate, Obamas tan suit, Biden speech using Nazi imagery, they arent the same, but the hysterical faux outrage by both Republicans and Democrats, and currently a lot of you, are exactly the same.

Infact a reporter just asked Trump when/if he was going to war with Chicago lol. Do you think that was an honest and genuine question, or a chance to trick Trump into a gotcha quote, or an outrage rant?

None of you think hes going to war with Chicago, the meme is either humour or rage bait to keep those who oppose him in the 'they are not serious people to listen to' camp to the general public. If CNN came out and laughed at the poster, but criticised the irresponsible use of imagery, and tone in the context of humour, calmly and rationally, it would go far further than what they actually do. The same way Fox news was reporting Biden threatened civilians with F15s, its all thebsame hysterical nonsense...
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My point is you can’t compare peoples reactions to completely different things and use that as an example of people on both sides acting the same. Different things warrant different reactions.

If Biden had said “you’ll need F15s to take me down motherfuckers” then I would say you know what, that is fair to compare that (and then peoples reactions) to the Trump meme but they’re totally different.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:


The man is a ****.
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That response is going viral on the right as Trump destroys reporter lol, alongside a Hegseth post.



I always find it fascinating how the same clip, seen by 2 different people invoke very different responses.

IMO, uncouth president shuts down inappropriate reporter by calling her 2nd rate, both come off that as arseholes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is idealogical driven IMO.
 
Welsh Exile said:
My point is you can't compare peoples reactions to completely different things and use that as an example of people on both sides acting the same. Different things warrant different reactions.

If Biden had said "you'll need F15s to take me down motherfuckers" then I would say you know what, that is fair to compare that (and then peoples reactions) to the Trump meme but they're totally different.
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Ah I think I get where we are differing, you think these reactions are honest and real, i view them as scumbaggery in order to win by any means necesary.

I may have inadvertently lumped you guys in with Dems and media who 100% play the game, your reactions may be real, their faux outrage is not.

The incident, like the 3 a week since January are not the important element, its the spin to sway public opinion thats important (currently for the Dems), asking a question to a president like 'are you ready to go to war with Chicago?' Is designed to garner a new clip to spin and tell you guys how he really means it this time, honestly.
 
dirty harry said:
Ah I think I get where we are differing, you think these reactions are honest and real, i view them as scumbaggery in order to win by any means necesary.

I may have inadvertently lumped you guys in with Dems and media who 100% play the game, your reactions may be real, their faux outrage is not.

The incident, like the 3 a week since January are not the important element, its the spin to sway public opinion thats important (currently for the Dems), asking a question to a president like 'are you ready to go to war with Chicago?' Is designed to garner a new clip to spin and tell you guys how he really means it this time, honestly.
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I’m sure people have overreacted to the Trump MEME but at least you can understand an overreaction to such an inflammatory MEME.

I have no idea how the right reacted to Bidens F15 comment (I wasn’t even aware of the comment until you mentioned it) so will take your word on it but clearly there was nothing to get wound up about (at least not in the same sense you could get wound up about the Trump meme) so the 2 things are not comparable at all and neither are people’s reactions.

It’s comparing apples with oranges.
 
Welsh Exile said:
I'm sure people have overreacted to the Trump MEME but at least you can understand an overreaction to such an inflammatory MEME.

I have no idea how the right reacted to Bidens F15 comment (I wasn't even aware of the comment until you mentioned it) so will take your word on it but clearly there was nothing to get wound up about (at least not in the same sense you could get wound up about the Trump meme) so the 2 things are not comparable at all and neither are people's reactions.

It's comparing apples with oranges.
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I mean Trump didnt just post the meme from nowhere, the context is that the Dems and media are claiming hes going to war with Chicago, this narrative has been going on for weeks before the meme. Lets not pretend its Trumps narrative, thats why I called the meme bait, because it's in response to that.

Its not different though, because its strategy.

1. Set narrative that Trump wants war with Chicago, based on him wanting to use national guard to help clean it up.

2. Set a platform, ask Trump if hes ready for war with Chicago.

3. OMG hes talking about war with Chicago...

Its what happened with Abrego, Mciver, and about 50 other controversies. Its not new, they did it with Biden, and Obama, the intensity is new, but the strategy isnt.
 
dirty harry said:
I mean Trump didnt just post the meme from nowhere, the context is that the Dems and media are claiming hes going to war with Chicago, this narrative has been going on for weeks before the meme. Lets not pretend its Trumps narrative, thats why I called the meme bait, because it's in response to that.

Its not different though, because its strategy.

1. Set narrative that Trump wants war with Chicago, based on him wanting to use national guard to help clean it up.

2. Set a platform, ask Trump if hes ready for war with Chicago.

3. OMG hes talking about war with Chicago...

Its what happened with Abrego, Mciver, and about 50 other controversies. Its not new, they did it with Biden, and Obama, the intensity is new, but the strategy isnt.
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It’s different to Bidens F15 comment mate. That’s all I’m saying.
 
Welsh Exile said:
It's different to Bidens F15 comment mate. That's all I'm saying.
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Ive said maybe 5 times now, the incidents are, id classify Trumps as bait/humour (or at least him trying to be funny), I classed Bidens as misspeak/or a blunt way of talking about the realities of rebel uprising against a tyrannical government.

Biden was right, but the optics were poor, Trumps was funny, but irresponsible considering his position.

But I'm not running around emotionally hyped, I view these as what they are, openings for the opposition to play their favourite strategy.

Im just glad we got past the word 'his'that was giving too many WRU board meeting vibes hahaha fml I just typed vibes!!!!

Interestingly though, what did you think of the reporter asking him if hes ready for war with Chicago?
 
dirty harry said:
Ive said maybe 5 times now, the incidents are, id classify Trumps as bait/humour (or at least him trying to be funny), I classed Bidens as misspeak/or a blunt way of talking about the realities of rebel uprising against a tyrannical government.

Biden was right, but the optics were poor, Trumps was funny, but irresponsible considering his position.

But I'm not running around emotionally hyped, I view these as what they are, openings for the opposition to play their favourite strategy.

Im just glad we got past the word 'his'that was giving too many WRU board meeting vibes hahaha fml I just typed vibes!!!!

Interestingly though, what did you think of the reporter asking him if hes ready for war with Chicago?
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It was definitely NOT a misspeak. He made an excellent point.

The “his" comment was extremely important and you making it out to be pedantic is a bit disingenuous of you to be honest. Of course words matter and can completely change the meaning of something. You know that.
 
Welsh Exile said:
However I am happy to put that down as a misspeak by yourself.
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I mean it was prefaced, the context was in defence of him, and the explanation didnt include it and called it all BS.

I could easily have made the case that the president controls the federal government, directly in one branch, and shared in 2, AND in context of Bidens presidency not Trumps it was during his government (power context). It wasnt misspeak it was pedantry for absolutely no reason. If I was criticising Biden, you could have brought it up, but I clearly wasnt, so you creating an argument, on behalf of Biden, for a comment in defence of Biden is definition pedantry (I hope thats a blwdi word or here we go again hahaha).

I will accept, the word his was very important to you emotionally, but to everyone else it was inconsequential, due to the context of defending Biden.

It wasn't an excellent point, he was played into giving the media the clip they wanted to accuse him of threatening war against Americans, and thats startegy essentially contributed in part beat the Democrats.

Well see if the same strategy is effective against a post Trump Republicans, I suspect not. Creating the type of vitriol against the man, just makes the next Republican a lesser evil IMO. By the time the machine starts in on the next guy, or Lady, the furore over Trump will surely eclipse whatever it is they say and do.
 
dirty harry said:
I mean it was prefaced, the context was in defence of him, and the explanation didnt include it and called it all BS.

I could easily have made the case that the president controls the federal government, directly in one branch, and shared in 2, AND in context of Bidens presidency not Trumps it was during his government (power context). It wasnt misspeak it was pedantry for absolutely no reason. If I was criticising Biden, you could have brought it up, but I clearly wasnt, so you creating an argument, on behalf of Biden, for a comment in defence of Biden is definition pedantry (I hope thats a blwdi word or here we go again hahaha).

I will accept, the word his was very important to you emotionally, but to everyone else it was inconsequential, due to the context of defending Biden.

It wasn't an excellent point, he was played into giving the media the clip they wanted to accuse him of threatening war against Americans, and thats startegy essentially contributed in part beat the Democrats.

Well see if the same strategy is effective against a post Trump Republicans, I suspect not. Creating the type of vitriol against the man, just makes the next Republican a lesser evil IMO. By the time the machine starts in on the next guy, or Lady, the furore over Trump will surely eclipse whatever it is they say and do.
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I'm not having a go at you criticising or not Criticising Biden. I couldn't given2 shits if you were supposedly sticking up for Biden. I'm taking issue with you taking 2 completely different things and then saying how peoples reactions to those different things are the same when in reality they are different things.

A better example you could've used was Obama saying he was going to drone strike the Jonas brothers. At least that's in the same ball park, kind of.
 
Welsh Exile said:
I'm not having a go at you criticising or not Criticising Biden. I couldn't given2 shits if you were supposedly sticking up for Biden. I'm taking issue with you taking 2 completely different things and then saying how peoples reactions to those different things are the same when in reality they are different things.

A better example you could've used was Obama saying he was going to drone strike the Jonas brothers. At least that's in the same ball park, kind of.
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I dont think someone like @Ragey Erasmus would agree with you here though, Trump used seriously scary imagery, and it wasnt just a flippant joke like Obamas (although im glad you regnise it was a humour). The comments took it way more serious than that, so I had to find a more serious, and similarly ludicrous contraversy.

If I recoil in shock at a snake slithering by, and I recoil in shock at finding you eating out a stuffed Donald Trump teddy, my reaction of shock and horror are exactly the same, despite the incidents being very different. On is anslimey bugger not doing anything wrong and just going about their life, the other is a disgusting snake!

But that aside, the strategy of creating that emotional response, using mistruths and staging them is exactly the same.

And me defending Biden is pertinent, you were implying I misquoted Biden and framing what he said as malicious, despite my defence of what he said, and the explanation of how it was twisted, you ignored maybe 3 full comments in hos defence, and still argued I was framing it maliciously lol, what would be the use of defending Biden, while attempting to frame him as more malicious? He was clearly to intellectually compromised to be malicious hahaha
 

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