A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

You did when you said

“Its a quote about the cyclic nature of siciety,”

Yes the original quote, not evolution lol. We defo had our wires crossed there hahaha

 

[Welsh Exile]

Oh, your upset by the gendered language?

Apologies, ill happily replace strong men with strong people, i think youve taken it way too literal tbh, or maybe you havnt and im being generous in my interpretation.

Strength is pretty universal no? Resilience, ingenuity, empathy, courage, discipline, collaberation etc...

Weakness - complacency, cowardess, lack of integrity, impulsiveness etc...

Edit: its interesting that the reasons you dont like it, its literal nature, is why the right seemingly do like it.

Not the gender you silly goose. It’s “strong” and “weak” those are moral claims as your opinion on what strength is may differ to someone else’s.

Strong = good and weak = bad. Hence the moral claim.

Even accepting your terms it’s still laughably simplistic and not accurate at all really.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yes the original quote, not evolution lol. We defo had our wires crossed there hahaha

Yes, but society does not work like that does it?

 

[ChicagoKid]

So who on here is eligible for military conscription? We should prepare a nice gesture for when people get deployed to the Front.

 

[dirty harry]

Not the gender you silly goose. It’s “strong” and “weak” those are moral claims as your opinion on what strength is may differ to someone else’s.

Strong = good and weak = bad. Hence the moral claim.

Even accepting your terms it’s still laughably simplistic and not accurate at all

I mean, good and bad dont have to be moral, or even a binary. The human experience is far more complex than that.

So you dislike the terms strong and weak, on moral grounds that you ascribe good to strength and bad to weakness? I think your aligned with the right wingers who like it on this.

Lets play a game, lets say you subscribe to this theory, what type of times do you think we are in in 2025?

 

[dirty harry]

So who on here is eligible for military conscription? We should prepare a nice gesture for when people get deployed to the Front.

Depends on the age range, fingers crossed thenhigher age is 40, and i get out of dodge early next year, if its 41 or older strap me to the side of a tank and paint 'fodder' across my chest

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean, good and bad dont have to be moral, or even a binary. The human experience is far more complex than that.

So you dislike the terms strong and weak, on moral grounds that you ascribe good to strength and bad to weakness? I think your aligned with the right wingers who like it on this.

Lets play a game, lets say you subscribe to this theory, what type of times do you think we are in in 2025?

No, I’m simply asking you to define what strength is in this context and why it is good.

Do you honestly believe this is how human societies have risen and fallen throughout history?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean, good and bad dont have to be moral, or even a binary. The human experience is far more complex than that.

So you dislike the terms strong and weak, on moral grounds that you ascribe good to strength and bad to weakness? I think your aligned with the right wingers who like it on this.

Lets play a game, lets say you subscribe to this theory, what type of times do you think we are in in 2025?

Sorry, to answer your question would require a nuanced answer rather than being a 6 year old and saying “we live in good times” or “we live in bad times”

 

[Yulia]

no one takes seriously the kind of quote you see laser etched onto whiskey glasses on Temu

 

[Welsh Exile]

I’d love to read some of the replies you got from right wing people on this Harry. Just to prove how idiotic and simplistic they are. If you have time that is.

 

[dirty harry]

No, I’m simply asking you to define what strength is in this context and why it is good.

Do you honestly believe this is how human societies have risen and fallen throughout history?

1. Ive given you strength characteristics

2. I never ascribed them good or bad, you did.

3. Ive told you i dont necesarily susbscibe to it, i find its popularity interesting.

Im not sure how much clearer i could be, the idea this thought experiment is for 6 year olds i find fascinating. I was expecting this board to not like it, but i would have hoped for some valid reasoning more than complaints its too dumb for you. Thats more Chicagos steam hahaha

 

[Welsh Exile]

1. Ive given you strength characteristics

2. I never ascribed them good or bad, you did.

3. Ive told you i dont necesarily susbscibe to it, i find its popularity interesting.

Im not sure how much clearer i could be, the idea this thought experiment is for 6 year olds i find fascinating. I was expecting this board to not like it, but i would have hoped for some valid reasoning more than complaints it’s too dumb for you. Thats more Chicagos steam hahaha

It’s child like because, as I say, it’s taking something extremely complex and nuanced and breaking it down into something extremely simplistic, not to mention inaccurate. That’s my problem with it.

It’s laughable.

 

[dirty harry]

I’d love to read some of the replies you got from right wing people on this Harry. Just to prove how idiotic and simplistic they are. If you have time that is.

I mean, with out insulting you, they are saying the same things as you are. Strength equals good, weakness equals bad. Some pointing out the cycles of rises and falls of societies arent linear, or neat.

There seems to be a feeling that the UK and west in general are shooting themselves in the foot, and self sabotaging when it comes to big decisions. There is a big danger around the corner, potentially civil unrest...

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean, with out insulting you, they are saying the same things as you are. Strength equals good, weakness equals bad. Some pointing out the cycles of rises and falls of societies arent linear, or neat.

There seems to be a feeling that the UK and west in general are shooting themselves in the foot, and self sabotaging when it comes to big decisions. There is a big danger around the corner, potentially civil unrest...

Im not saying that though am I. I just said that’s what makes it a moral claim.

Even leaving the morality out of it and just looking at whether it’s factual it just doesn’t hold up.

 

[dirty harry]

It’s child like because, as I say, it’s taking something extremely complex and nuanced and breaking it down into something extremely simplistic, not to mention inaccurate. That’s my problem with it.

It’s laughable.

What philisophical quote does that excuse not lend itself too?

If you cant explain it to a child, you dont understand it yourself

 

[Welsh Exile]

What philisophical quote does that excuse not lend itself too?

If you cant explain it to a child, you dont understand it yourself

Probably best not to deal with just quotes and deal with concepts and arguments and debate the points. Posting a single quote that says it can describe all of human history, why it rises and why it falls is just child like. Honestly it’s something I’d expect my 9year old boy to say. I’m not joking

 

[dirty harry]

Im not saying that though am I. I just said that’s what makes it a moral claim.

Even leaving the morality out of it and just looking at whether it’s factual it just doesn’t hold up.

Empires dont rise and fall? Societies dont go through difficult times and then through prosperous? Adversity doesnt vreed resilience and ingenuity?

Whats not holding up? I think it doesnt hold up if you view it as a right wing characature would, strength good, man good, man rule world, man make society good.

 

[dirty harry]

Probably best not to deal with just quotes and deal with concepts and arguments and debate the points. Posting a single quote that says it can describe all of human history, why it rises and why it falls is just child like. Honestly it’s something I’d expect my 9year old boy to say. I’m not joking

Do you believe that simplicity reveals mastery?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Empires dont rise and fall? Societies dont go through difficult times and then through prosperous? Adversity doesnt vreed resilience and ingenuity?

Whats not holding up? I think it doesnt hold up if you view it as a right wing characature would, strength good, man good, man rule world, man make society good.

Of course empires rise and fall. It’s the idea that these are always down to weak and strong men is just ludicrous. As I say, it’s so simplistic. Do you believe this nonsense? I would’ve thought you’d be a lot more nuanced.

 

[dirty harry]

Of course empires rise and fall. It’s the idea that these are always down to weak and strong men is just ludicrous. As I say, it’s so simplistic. Do you believe this nonsense? I would’ve thought you’d be a lot more nuanced.

Well i am being nuanced, your the one being incredibly literal in what seems like a conserted effort to disregard the idea.

Do men not effect society? Does society in turn not effect men?

Is there an argument that one generation whonis effected by their parents, pass down traits, both on purpose and inadvertantly and effect their offspring.