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[2017 Super Rugby] Round 10: Jaguares vs. Sharks (29/04/2017)
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Bruno_ARG
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Sharks still have to play against Stormers and Lions and we don't. If we don't take advantage of that, we are doomed
Brigantine
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It's bad enough for Blues fans... You know they're a good team, but then it never seems to count for anything.
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How the media taking the losses over there?
As far fetched as it sounds, argentine rugby media is unbelievably creative to find positive spins even in the most shameful losses.
This is ESPN's latest headline "Los backs de Jaguares se lucieron ante Sharks" which loosely translates to "the backs stood out against the sharks". It kinda speaks volumes about how bad our rugby journalists are. I mean, in what parallel universe do you have to live to come up with such a stupid, uninformed, biased and low-added-value headline? Only someone who didn't watch the game would believe that.
Either you are being pushed or paid by UAR to come up with something positive or you are just bluntly incompetent.
Another thing i noticed on the comments sections was that, though not a majority, a lot of Argentines believe that we lost cause of the ref. I not only find it ludicrous, but also quite ironic, as i believe we've been fairly benefited by referees in the first 9 rounds and i don't think Jaco was that bad. He could have YCded a shark for a check without ball but the yellow card he did show was kinda harsh in my book. Some you win, some you lose. We've got no one but ourselves to blame.
The saddest part is the following: think about how we finished 2015. We beat RSA in the rugby championship, put on a decent fight against NZ in the world cup and gave Ireland quite a beating. Sure, we knew we would lose a few of our pumas but we were a squad in the making, with tons of young talent, a promising future and the idea having the Jaguares (basically the Pumas) playing every week together would give us an almost unfair advantage.
Look at where we are now. What used to be our assets (scrum and defense in our own 22) are nowhere to be found and the promise of a potent offense is, well, just a promise as we've got little to show for it.
Someone will look at 2016 and 2017 performance of Jaguares and argue we've improved. WRONG. We only got a bunch of easier opponents. Look at the way Pumas played. We lost to Wales, Scotland, England (with an extra player!).
I know SR 2018 will have a different format, but if we have to play any NZ, they will tear us a new one, home, away, neutral ground, hell, place the field in another galaxy and we'd still lose.
The problem is not where we stand. The problem is that i do not like where we are heading and the guys in charge have no grip on the steering-wheel whatsoever.
/Endrant
As far fetched as it sounds, argentine rugby media is unbelievably creative to find positive spins even in the most shameful losses.
This is ESPN's latest headline "Los backs de Jaguares se lucieron ante Sharks" which loosely translates to "the backs stood out against the sharks". It kinda speaks volumes about how bad our rugby journalists are. I mean, in what parallel universe do you have to live to come up with such a stupid, uninformed, biased and low-added-value headline? Only someone who didn't watch the game would believe that.
Either you are being pushed or paid by UAR to come up with something positive or you are just bluntly incompetent.
Another thing i noticed on the comments sections was that, though not a majority, a lot of Argentines believe that we lost cause of the ref. I not only find it ludicrous, but also quite ironic, as i believe we've been fairly benefited by referees in the first 9 rounds and i don't think Jaco was that bad. He could have YCded a shark for a check without ball but the yellow card he did show was kinda harsh in my book. Some you win, some you lose. We've got no one but ourselves to blame.
The saddest part is the following: think about how we finished 2015. We beat RSA in the rugby championship, put on a decent fight against NZ in the world cup and gave Ireland quite a beating. Sure, we knew we would lose a few of our pumas but we were a squad in the making, with tons of young talent, a promising future and the idea having the Jaguares (basically the Pumas) playing every week together would give us an almost unfair advantage.
Look at where we are now. What used to be our assets (scrum and defense in our own 22) are nowhere to be found and the promise of a potent offense is, well, just a promise as we've got little to show for it.
Someone will look at 2016 and 2017 performance of Jaguares and argue we've improved. WRONG. We only got a bunch of easier opponents. Look at the way Pumas played. We lost to Wales, Scotland, England (with an extra player!).
I know SR 2018 will have a different format, but if we have to play any NZ, they will tear us a new one, home, away, neutral ground, hell, place the field in another galaxy and we'd still lose.
The problem is not where we stand. The problem is that i do not like where we are heading and the guys in charge have no grip on the steering-wheel whatsoever.
/Endrant
CocoPampas
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That was a really bad/disapointing game. And although we still have some mathematical chances to get more point that the Sharks, I think that this defeat (and the one against the bulls) settle a bad (underperforming) seasson for the Jaguares.
Congrats Sharks!!
You're almost on the QFs.
Congrats Sharks!!
You're almost on the QFs.
marianodan
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All the higher ups should already be boarding a plane to Europe to give Ayerza, Figallo, Imhoff, etc a blank check. This is a business after all and if we keep going like this for the next 2 or so years we gonna end up with crowds smaller than those of australian franchises and kicked out of the WC in pool stage.
Might be a waste of money for Marcos ..................
I'm so sad he will not be playing next season.
Also doubt Ayerza would of left tigers anyway when i have spoken to him he always wanted to finish his career with tigers. That rare one club man.
marianodan
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*****, I forgot. We're running out of prop options.
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this was an awful distplay. completely out played by their fowards!
it is really stupid trying to compete with this sa sides based on this pack. i been bragging about it but this time it was so obvious. our second row is 40 k lighter than the opponent and 10 cm shorter. result: no damm ball from scrum or line out. Kramer (good player) should be prepared to play as a n8. position in wich he played. he has the right size and attitudes for it on test level. but is small for second rower. the same goes for ortega desio and petti a 105k and 1.94mts second rower its just not enough. specially when our first row is not dominant as it used to be. we need lavanini and allemano back. i understand that you could use 3rd rowers as 2nd looking for a more dinamic pack but in that case you should avoid contact and figure out scrum and line out.
it is really stupid trying to compete with this sa sides based on this pack. i been bragging about it but this time it was so obvious. our second row is 40 k lighter than the opponent and 10 cm shorter. result: no damm ball from scrum or line out. Kramer (good player) should be prepared to play as a n8. position in wich he played. he has the right size and attitudes for it on test level. but is small for second rower. the same goes for ortega desio and petti a 105k and 1.94mts second rower its just not enough. specially when our first row is not dominant as it used to be. we need lavanini and allemano back. i understand that you could use 3rd rowers as 2nd looking for a more dinamic pack but in that case you should avoid contact and figure out scrum and line out.
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