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No agenda. Just the oddness of a football nation with a despicable history of xenophobia and racism attacking another country for similar.
Factor in the fact that one of them beat the other recently in a football match and it makes perfect sense.
I think we're all getting the point about your agenda, tbh, it's not exactly subtle
 
From the investigation company -

In this case, there was the majority was actually coming from Irish accounts or from fans of the rugby team. There were actually quite a few based in the United States from the expat community, but there was a significant amount that was kind of homegrown and coming from accounts based in Ireland."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2026...-abuse-mainly-came-from-irish-based-accounts/
Journal article Edogbo

IRFU said that any accounts connected to rugby members will be perma banned. The article i link mentions 3 accounts one of which may be from a club member. That person will be gone ostracized. If other rugby players chimed in with the "full of immigrants" Farage type dog whistling then supporters will do similar to them if identifiable. Note that the same agency made 19 criminal prosecutions with just Arsenal for supporters racially abusing their own team online.

One thing you wont find Irish Rugby Supporters doing is calling another nation "rats" "animals" etc for doing something which we ourselves might be guilty of.
Our record with racism in sport and dealimg with it is good.

England's reaction to Argentinian racism is xenophobic abuse. To their own its "Sure it happens everywhere".
 
Journal article Edogbo

IRFU said that any accounts connected to rugby members will be perma banned. The article i link mentions 3 accounts one of which may be from a club member. That person will be gone ostracized. If other rugby players chimed in with the "full of immigrants" Farage type dog whistling then supporters will do similar to them if identifiable. Note that the same agency made 19 criminal prosecutions with just Arsenal for supporters racially abusing their own team online.

One thing you wont find Irish Rugby Supporters doing is calling another nation "rats" "animals" etc for doing something which we ourselves might be guilty of.
Our record with racism in sport and dealimg with it is good.

England's reaction to Argentinian racism is xenophobic abuse. To their own its "Sure it happens everywhere".
How did Argentina react to the racist bus song?
 
Journal article Edogbo

IRFU said that any accounts connected to rugby members will be perma banned. The article i link mentions 3 accounts one of which may be from a club member. That person will be gone ostracized. If other rugby players chimed in with the "full of immigrants" Farage type dog whistling then supporters will do similar to them if identifiable. Note that the same agency made 19 criminal prosecutions with just Arsenal for supporters racially abusing their own team online.

One thing you wont find Irish Rugby Supporters doing is calling another nation "rats" "animals" etc for doing something which we ourselves might be guilty of.
Our record with racism in sport and dealimg with it is good.

England's reaction to Argentinian racism is xenophobic abuse. To their own its "Sure it happens everywhere".
You don't need to be a member of a club to be a rugby fan.

My issue was with the blanket statement of they were not Ireland fans.

You might have a good record in dealing with racism. But a blanket statement of they are not rugby fans serves no one. 'Everyone has an issue with racism and abuse directed a black players, female players etc.
 
What are you waiting for twll tin?
For all the questions you’re dodging like how did Argentina react to the racist bus song? (sorry I know you don’t think it’s racist to say a black person born and raised in France isn’t French)

Also what is it about English football fans that make them more prone to racism and domestic violence?
 
My thoughts:

English Hooliganism: no longer particularly relevant after decades of work between police and the FA. Current isolated instances of violence against other fans isn't an outlier, in my adult life this hasn't been an issue - Russia was the last hurrah and that was instigated by Russian hooligans. England travelling fans are leaders in current UEFA standings for behavior.

DV: horrible issue and the link with English football is undeniable and grim. However the causation doesn't mean that this is anything supported by English football and its uninvolved fans. DV is an issue in the UK, Ireland and the world over, a football match creates the environment for the abuser but they would find other ways to get themselves in such a state in England. However there is separation between this and English football, it is a far larger issue that includes some England football fans.

Racism: this is a societal problem, Musk's Twitter has strengthened the racists as stated above. This is not an English football issue, it's a far wider issue that has a demographic who are English football fans (among many others)

Condemning Argentina: not an issue from fans who are aware of England's issues and condemn them too. England's players were better behaved than Argentinas this world cup and have no controversies to the same degree as this Argentina side. Sure there's sour grapes involved but saying nothing because of the behavior of some extremities of England football fans (most of whom do not attend games) is unreasonable to ask

The Falkland/Malvinas: not worth the data

I think many of the complaints laid against England in this thread are out of date and unnecessary. None of the issues are specific to England and many are worse elsewhere. The initial comments were reactionary to a heated football match.

I say this as someone who would only support England against maybe two teams on earth if they were to play them (neither was in the WC). I support anyone but England for fun because I'll never follow Ireland through a knockout campaign that lasts more than two games (that would be heady days too). I am not a great supporter of the UK, they have fractured my own country and left a portion of the North separated and disadvantage from the rest of the country (and deny a genocide that was their fault here) and they have done the same in now unsettled areas the world over and have never offered the required support to fix their mess. I don't think routinely going against England / the UK in all matters fixes any of these issues, routine anti-British sentiment is a primary barrier to fixing my country as we would need to welcome British people for it to be united and constant finger pointing only raises animosity or carelessness to the other issues. The UK could fix the world over in the next four years and I'd think they'd become a great country, I still wouldn't support England because that's not fun!

All the issues raised in this thread have tenuous links at best to England football currently in my opinion. Most are completely separate issues that the English FA unfortunately have to deal with due to the demographics of their fans.
 
You don't need to be a member of a club to be a rugby fan.

My issue was with the blanket statement of they were not Ireland fans.

You might have a good record in dealing with racism. But a blanket statement of they are not rugby fans serves no one. 'Everyone has an issue with racism and abuse directed a black players, female players etc.
So "Everyone has an issue with racism" is enough for you to imply hypcrisy on my part (for one conviction level racist poster rugby member) .....but not enough for you to see the hypocrisy in the mass xenphobic pile on that's taking place against Argentina and its people by English people on media/social media and even on this forum?
Can we drop it now?
 
My thoughts:

English Hooliganism: no longer particularly relevant after decades of work between police and the FA. Current isolated instances of violence against other fans isn't an outlier, in my adult life this hasn't been an issue - Russia was the last hurrah and that was instigated by Russian hooligans. England travelling fans are leaders in current UEFA standings for behavior.

DV: horrible issue and the link with English football is undeniable and grim. However the causation doesn't mean that this is anything supported by English football and its uninvolved fans. DV is an issue in the UK, Ireland and the world over, a football match creates the environment for the abuser but they would find other ways to get themselves in such a state in England. However there is separation between this and English football, it is a far larger issue that includes some England football fans.

Racism: this is a societal problem, Musk's Twitter has strengthened the racists as stated above. This is not an English football issue, it's a far wider issue that has a demographic who are English football fans (among many others)

Condemning Argentina: not an issue from fans who are aware of England's issues and condemn them too. England's players were better behaved than Argentinas this world cup and have no controversies to the same degree as this Argentina side. Sure there's sour grapes involved but saying nothing because of the behavior of some extremities of England football fans (most of whom do not attend games) is unreasonable to ask

The Falkland/Malvinas: not worth the data

I think many of the complaints laid against England in this thread are out of date and unnecessary. None of the issues are specific to England and many are worse elsewhere. The initial comments were reactionary to a heated football match.

I say this as someone who would only support England against maybe two teams on earth if they were to play them (neither was in the WC). I support anyone but England for fun because I'll never follow Ireland through a knockout campaign that lasts more than two games (that would be heady days too). I am not a great supporter of the UK, they have fractured my own country and left a portion of the North separated and disadvantage from the rest of the country (and deny a genocide that was their fault here) and they have done the same in now unsettled areas the world over and have never offered the required support to fix their mess. I don't think routinely going against England / the UK in all matters fixes any of these issues, routine anti-British sentiment is a primary barrier to fixing my country as we would need to welcome British people for it to be united and constant finger pointing only raises animosity or carelessness to the other issues. The UK could fix the world over in the next four years and I'd think they'd become a great country, I still wouldn't support England because that's not fun!

All the issues raised in this thread have tenuous links at best to England football currently in my opinion. Most are completely separate issues that the English FA unfortunately have to deal with due to the demographics of their fans.
You needed to give my dad a wide berth after Wales lost to England in rugby. It was one of the many things I told myself I’m not going to be like with my kids. I’d rather abuse @TRF_Olyy on here instead.
 
The UK could fix the world over in the next four years and I'd think they'd become a great country, I still wouldn't support England because that's not fun
luis suarez GIF
 
My thoughts:

English Hooliganism: no longer particularly relevant after decades of work between police and the FA. Current isolated instances of violence against other fans isn't an outlier, in my adult life this hasn't been an issue - Russia was the last hurrah and that was instigated by Russian hooligans. England travelling fans are leaders in current UEFA standings for behavior.

DV: horrible issue and the link with English football is undeniable and grim. However the causation doesn't mean that this is anything supported by English football and its uninvolved fans. DV is an issue in the UK, Ireland and the world over, a football match creates the environment for the abuser but they would find other ways to get themselves in such a state in England. However there is separation between this and English football, it is a far larger issue that includes some England football fans.

Racism: this is a societal problem, Musk's Twitter has strengthened the racists as stated above. This is not an English football issue, it's a far wider issue that has a demographic who are English football fans (among many others)

Condemning Argentina: not an issue from fans who are aware of England's issues and condemn them too. England's players were better behaved than Argentinas this world cup and have no controversies to the same degree as this Argentina side. Sure there's sour grapes involved but saying nothing because of the behavior of some extremities of England football fans (most of whom do not attend games) is unreasonable to ask

The Falkland/Malvinas: not worth the data

I think many of the complaints laid against England in this thread are out of date and unnecessary. None of the issues are specific to England and many are worse elsewhere. The initial comments were reactionary to a heated football match.

I say this as someone who would only support England against maybe two teams on earth if they were to play them (neither was in the WC). I support anyone but England for fun because I'll never follow Ireland through a knockout campaign that lasts more than two games (that would be heady days too). I am not a great supporter of the UK, they have fractured my own country and left a portion of the North separated and disadvantage from the rest of the country (and deny a genocide that was their fault here) and they have done the same in now unsettled areas the world over and have never offered the required support to fix their mess. I don't think routinely going against England / the UK in all matters fixes any of these issues, routine anti-British sentiment is a primary barrier to fixing my country as we would need to welcome British people for it to be united and constant finger pointing only raises animosity or carelessness to the other issues. The UK could fix the world over in the next four years and I'd think they'd become a great country, I still wouldn't support England because that's not fun!

All the issues raised in this thread have tenuous links at best to England football currently in my opinion. Most are completely separate issues that the English FA unfortunately have to deal with due to the demographics of their fans.
Fair enough. As you can see in this thread, many English posters (and a Welsh one) are choosing not to condemn their own. English hooliganism has been minimized with police action and internation cooperation but to pretend the problem supporters no longer exist is to ignore what happenned after the 2024 Euro final within and around Wembley.
Like everything the rump of the problem has moved online. Since last Wednesday there has been an online maelstrom of abuse led by English fans not just against Argentinian soccer/rugby but against ordinary Argentinians. Posts with "Scum", "Animals", "Rats", "dogs", "pigs" etc etc directed at ordinary Argentinians are not just stray comments but are a signigficant minority of England supporter comments online. This speaks to me as a current problem with England supporters. I comment on it when I can, and as you may have witnessed for commenting here I have been called "scumbag" and "anti-English".
Regarding DV I have fund raised in the area fore decades and know the issue well. The propagants tend to have patriarchal world views. The majority of English supporters will have normal views with a normal DV spread. There is a large minority for whome supportig the England soccer team is an extension of toxic supremacist English nationality. It is down to normal supporters to speak out against these guys (and crucially TO THEM) at the extreme end of their culture. Rather we see complete denial (as evidenced here).
 
Oh, you choose to respond to this post do you. Prick.
You called me a scumbag and "anti-English". Same applies to your Dad by your own logic you ******* hypocrite asshole.
Twll din!

Edit: Maybe if more Welsh people got upset by Wales losing instead of acting like pathetic court jesters (thats you) there might be improvement.
 
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Why do you keep feeding the troll? He's justifying his views on anecdotes, personal experience and his own biased point of view, yet expects others to provide data and then ignores it. He's a racist prick with an agenda.
 
You called me a scumbag and "anti-English". Same applies to your Dad by your own logic you ******* hypocrite asshole.
Twll din!
Why are you still ignoring answering the questions I posed and replying to a post of mine that was in response to someone else?

Because I’m not like you and actually answer questions in good faith, no, as i kid I didn’t call my dad a scumbag for beating on my brother and me and smashing holes in walls but I have since.
 
Why do you keep feeding the troll? He's justifying his views on anecdotes, personal experience and his own biased point of view, yet expects others to provide data and then ignores it. He's a racist prick with an agenda.
English supporters calling English players "nig**rs" (Fact) is AOK but someone pointing it out is a "racist prick"?
You sound like the racist son. And everyone detests a racist.
 
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No you haven’t. You’re either thicker than I thought or being deliberately evasive. It’s a few posts up.
You will only get one answer to the same question whether you like it or not.
I suggest you delete part of your last post, otherwise it is not appropriate to converse with you.
 
You will only get one answer to the same question whether you like it or not.
Based on your last post its not appropriate to converse with you.
Ahhhh, ok. So you don’t want to answer what was Argentinas response to the racist, sorry not racist in your view, bus song. Nor do you want to answer what is it that makes English football fans more prone to racism and DV. I guess that tells its own story.
 
Ahhhh, ok. So you don’t want to answer what was Argentinas response to the racist, sorry not racist in your view, bus song. Nor do you want to answer what is it that makes English football fans more prone to racism and DV. I guess that tells its own story.
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