A Political Thread pt. 2

[Yulia]

So our government have (recently) come out with harsh words against Israel, it went down pretty poorly. Unfortunately we have no relationship with Israel where sanctions would really make them even consider what they're doing.

We wouldn't dare criticise China despite their political concentration camps, we'd lose too much money.

In the 70s and 80s we boycotted South African products.

Obviously we put pressure on the UK re the north too.

And we have heavy involvement in UN peacekeeping in Africa.

I'm quite proud of most of that, we've had our own problems and tend to hold other countries to the standards we want, and I'd say have mostly achieved here. We are always near the top of quality of life and racial equality indexes so it's hard to point at us and claim hypocrisy*. If third party countries' only approach to civil war/unrest here was to take in refugees I can say with certainty that this island would be a far worse place to live with far less equality on both sides of the "border", I'd have also never been born.

External pressure is required when an imbalance of power has lead to oppressive regimes with tiered class systems in place. Because without it you have two or more opposing groups who hate each other and, more importantly, fear each other which leads to pig headedness and a total lack of dialogue as is evident in Israel today.

Saying this, I don't think the classic US World Police approach works, almost all of their attempts to intervene with army presence have failed miserably. But economic/trade sanctions, political condemnation etc... Should be a tool to destroy obvious widespread oppression like this.

*Not to say we're perfect. I think there's still widespread discrimination of traveller and gypsy people here.

There's a logic in your message,but for me it looks a bit too..idealistic.
You're talking about your standards,but that doesn't mean your standards are right/applicable in different cultures. About any interference of the 3rd part: that can be fair only if this 3rd part is truly independent, unbiased and doesn't pursue its' own interest in the conflict. It doesn't exist in a real life,I think. No-one interferes just "to help",not in politics, there's always another reason behind that, I think (some,as I said, have their own interest, others are biased or support interference under the pressure of other countries/external influences). There are exceptions, maybe Ireland is such an exception, I don't know to be honest, but I was talking in general.
"The task of helping the drowning people is in the hands of the drowning people themselves" - even that one is more fair when it comes to a political interference,I think (it's a parody on a famous Marx phrase, written in one satiric Soviet novel).
I don't want to argue here, because I think we just have different views and everything is relative, depends on the situation,there are exceptions etc etc.

 

[ncurd]

Dick Out

 

[General Melchett]

Dick Out

That's really none of our business.

 

[ncurd]

She went to one of the parties didn't she?

 

[Which Tyler]

Cressida Dick to step down as Metropolitan Police chief

A recent report into racist and sexist officers in London was one of many controversies she faced.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Yeh not surprised with all the crap recently. Still having a gay woman as the first Met Police chief was pretty groundbreaking, but even that wasn’t enough by itself and turned out never could be. The Met Police is too big and f upped for that.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I’m very supportive of the Police generally but the Met needs better leadership.

 

[Which Tyler]

Liz Truss warns Russia of sanctions during tense Ukraine talks

Foreign secretary issues warning as Sergei Lavrov describes UK’s contribution to talks as ‘just slogans’

www.theguardian.com

Away from the cameras, Truss allegedly confused the Russian regions of Voronezh and Rostov with Ukrainian territory when Lavrov asked her whether she recognised Russia’s sovereignty over them. She repeatedly told Lavrov that the UK would never recognise Moscow’s claim, until the British ambassador was forced to step in to correct her, the Russian business daily Kommersant reported.

 

[Reiser99]

I mean... She is technically correct...

You can blame Brexit for it, but it is ultimately as a result of "brussels beurocracy and red tape"

That's like saying technically the knife killed him.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Wait the Government is giving the location for the Great British Railways HQ via public vote or did I read it wrong?
Hope a northern town that needs the jobs gets it.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Trump accused of flushing papers and blocking White House toilets.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

That's like saying technically the knife killed him.

I thought guns did kill people and it wasn't just bad guys?


(I jest but its a shitty metaphor)

 

[Seeker]

 

[Seeker]

 

[Reiser99]

I thought guns did kill people and it wasn't just bad guys?


(I jest but its a shitty metaphor)

Yep, great response.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I thought guns did kill people and it wasn't just bad guys?


(I jest but its a shitty metaphor)

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Cressida Dick: New Met chief must tackle policing culture, says Priti Patel

"Strong and decisive" leadership will be required to restore public confidence, the home secretary says.

www.bbc.co.uk

“Strong and decisive” leadership. Hmm where have I heard that before?

 

[Amiga500]

Can anyone tell me why Boris & co need to raise the national insurance premium?

Surely they can take that £350 million saved every week from exiting the EU and put it to the NHS instead.

That's exactly what they said after all...

£350m a week is £18 billion a year extra funding to the NHS, whereas the national insurance increase would only raise around £12 billion a year.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Can anyone tell me why Boris & co need to raise the national insurance premium?

Surely they can take that £350 million saved every week from exiting the EU and put it to the NHS instead.

That's exactly what they said after all...

£350m a week is £18 billion a year extra funding to the NHS, whereas the national insurance increase would only raise around £12 billion a year.

Do you mean National Insurance Contributions? It’s will be an additional amount for 2022/23 and then an additional levy in 2023/24. Basically so that they can say they haven’t gone back on their manifesto promise of not raising income tax rates and VAT.

Got to find some way of justifying the rise. And suspect it was time they could after May’s faux pas in 2017.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

So both UK and US telling their nationals to leave Ukraine. Is it getting to squeaky bum time of Russia invading Ukraine?