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A Political Thread pt. 2

I was with you there up until mentioning Biden lol, Obama ye sure, maybe even Hillary, but Biden?!?!

Realistically, it's crazy chaotic situation noone wants, including the Isreali government. The key question is, how does the killing end, without a repetition in a few more years, how to break the cycle?
Biden spoke out against Netenyahu. I’m not saying he was adversarial towards him or Isreal which is why I said put a “bit” of pressure on. America on occasion only needs to exert a bit of influence to have an effect.
 
Biden spoke out against Netenyahu. I'm not saying he was adversarial towards him or Isreal which is why I said put a "bit" of pressure on. America on occasion only needs to exert a bit of influence to have an effect.
Like I said earlier, Netenyahu can't have a cease fire because that will bring down his right wing government. While he's in power there will be no end.
 
Like I said earlier, Netenyahu can't have a cease fire because that will bring down his right wing government. While he's in power there will be no end.
Yeah, can’t say I disagree.

Need Israelis to force change here ideally but even in that dream scenario you need strong, brave leaders on both sides and I can’t see that happening either.
 

A demonstration of how badly some right wing reporting of strumpets tariffs and their effects. Also trying again to blame Biden.

For a so called Economist he doesn't seem to understand even basic supply and demand or arithmetic.
 

A demonstration of how badly some right wing reporting of strumpets tariffs and their effects. Also trying again to blame Biden.

For a so called Economist he doesn't seem to understand even basic supply and demand or arithmetic.
Blah blah blah, it the last guys fault things are expensive, there is not context...

Blah blah blah there is context for the last guy, but this guy is the problem despite context...

2 sides, same coin!
 
Biden spoke out against Netenyahu. I'm not saying he was adversarial towards him or Isreal which is why I said put a "bit" of pressure on. America on occasion only needs to exert a bit of influence to have an effect.
Not only did Biden speak out, but also withheld some heavy duty ordinance which strumpet immediately sent.
 
I'm sure he was too busy designing his ww2 victory day paraphernalia... the 6 long years that america fought alone against the nazi empire before the rest of us slumped in to suppor...oh wait
 
America 100% holds the cards when it comes to Israel and Palestine. The current US administration are choosing not to apply any pressure to Netanyahu and are enabling what he is doing as he looks to remove the two state solution from the table. Every major country including Russia supported the two state solution until recently. Biden supported it while he was in power. No longer supporting the two state solution is a major shift in US foreign policy when it comes to Israel/Palestine.

Not having a ceasefire just to stop the Israeli Govt from collapsing is BS. In that case let new leaders have a go because the current lot along with the Hamas leadership have had years to find solutions diplomatically and both have failed. Everybody knows that this is a brutal far right Israeli Govt with an illegal and shameful expansionist policy.
 
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America 100% holds the cards when it comes to Israel and Palestine. The current US administration are choosing not to apply any pressure to Netanyahu and are enabling what he is doing as he looks to remove the two state solution from the table. Every major country including Russia supported the two state solution until recently. Biden supported it while he was in power. No longer supporting the two state solution is a major shift in US foreign policy when it comes to Israel/Palestine.

Not having a ceasefire just to stop the Israeli Govt from collapsing is BS. In that case let new leaders have a go because the current lot along with the Hamas leadership have had years to find solutions diplomatically and both have failed. Everybody knows that this is a brutal far right Israeli Govt with an illegal and shameful expansionist policy.
As soon as a ceasefire happens and the 'war' stops, Israel will have an election. Should Netenyahu lose as is most likely then he'll face a long list of charges and potential prison time. That's why they can't find a deal
 
As soon as a ceasefire happens and the 'war' stops, Israel will have an election. Should Netenyahu lose as is most likely then he'll face a long list of charges and potential prison time. That's why they can't find a deal

Yeah it's just a sore one to take. Thousands more dying and an illegal expansion of their border just to save his political skin. Jail is where.he belongs
 
As soon as a ceasefire happens and the 'war' stops, Israel will have an election. Should Netenyahu lose as is most likely then he'll face a long list of charges and potential prison time. That's why they can't find a deal
I agree and I’m not trying to be a Harry here but when there’s talk of a deal it seems to me the onus is always put on Isreal. Even now, it’s like people have forgotten that Gaza has been under Hamas control since 2005.

You need both parties to have the necessary leaders in place (which both are so far away from currently) in order for a deal to even be discussed let alone reached. Isreal needs to elect a leader that can reign in the settlers and **** then off the West Bank, they need to elect a leader to help rebuild Gaza and trying to ensure an environment where a blockade isn’t needed (fantasy land with Hamas or someone of that ilk still in power) and the Palestinians need to ensure their leaders aren’t hellbent of killing Jews and eradicating the state of Isreal.

Both sides are so far from this now that I can’t see any way out as has been the way for the last 80 years or whatever it is.
 
I agree and I'm not trying to be a Harry here but when there's talk of a deal it seems to me the onus is always put on Isreal. Even now, it's like people have forgotten that Gaza has been under Hamas control since 2005.

You need both parties to have the necessary leaders in place (which both are so far away from currently) in order for a deal to even be discussed let alone reached. Isreal needs to elect a leader that can reign in the settlers and **** then off the West Bank, they need to elect a leader to help rebuild Gaza and trying to ensure an environment where a blockade isn't needed (fantasy land with Hamas or someone of that ilk still in power) and the Palestinians need to ensure their leaders aren't hellbent of killing Jews and eradicating the state of Isreal.

Both sides are so far from this now that I can't see any way out as has been the way for the last 80 years or whatever it is.
I mean apart from the name drop, can't argue with much of that.

The onus is on Isreal, and rightfully so, but there are bigger agendas at play also, isreal is needed by the global powers.

I think it was Douglas Murray who claims to play the 'thought experiment' of what would happen if either side layed down their weapons, if Hamas waved the white flag there would be net positives for the Palestinian people, if Isreal did so I dread to think what would follow.
 
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