A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

I mean apart from the name drop, can't argue with much of that.

The onus is on Isreal, and rightfully so, but there are bigger agendas at play also, isreal is needed by the global powers.

I think it was Douglas Murray who claims to play the 'thought experiment' of what would happen if either side layed down their weapons, if Hamas waved the white flag there would be net positives for the Palestinian people, if Isreal did so I dread to think what would follow.

I kind of agree with that but then he also always says Hamas could end the war tomorrow by handing back the hostages. That is complete BS and I think he knows it. A lot of his framing is disingenuous imo.

 

[dirty harry]

I kind of agree with that but then he also always says Hamas could end the war tomorrow by handing back the hostages. That is complete BS and I think he knows it. A lot of his framing is disingenuous imo.

Agreed, he's probably the most outspoken about Isreal being 100% innocent. During the Rogan podcast he was claiming the restrictions on food going in to gaza were fully justified, and I just can't accept that lol.

Truth is, every peice of info coming out of the entire region is misrepresented and half truths, I'm sure Trump learned his politicking directly from the IDF and Hamas lol

 

[Welsh Exile]

Agreed, he's probably the most outspoken about Isreal being 100% innocent. During the Rogan podcast he was claiming the restrictions on food going in to gaza were fully justified, and I just can't accept that lol.

Truth is, every peice of info coming out of the entire region is misrepresented and half truths, I'm sure Trump learned his politicking directly from the IDF and Hamas lol

Agreed. As a rule of thumb if any pundit/analyst or whatever is subscribing 100% blame to one side in this conflict and at the same time absolving the other side of any blame then you know they’re not worth listening to even if they say things you agree with.

To rekindle our previous discussion, listen to historians on matters of history. Any half decent historian is going to provide context to a conflict/historical event(s) obviously these need to be backed up with what the historical records show and what the facts are as well (which more often than not you’ll get consensus on amongst historians) but listen to the experts. I know Murray calls himself an expert in this and he’s clearly knowledgable but he’s not a historian and i wouldn’t trust him. I’ve enjoyed listening to Benny Morris. Concedes both sides failures over the years but clearly has an extensive knowledge of the history and it seems well respected (though I saw him do a thing not so long ago where some people in the crowd called him racist or some ********)

 

[AlRums]

UK and India agree trade deal after three years of talks

The deal will improve access for UK whisky and cars to the Indian market, and cut taxes on India's clothing and footwear exports.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Which Tyler]

 

[dirty harry]

UK and India agree trade deal after three years of talks

The deal will improve access for UK whisky and cars to the Indian market, and cut taxes on India's clothing and footwear exports.

www.bbc.co.uk

Can't wait to get me some of that quality Indian clothing and footwear hahaha

 

[Saintjay]

UK and India agree trade deal after three years of talks

The deal will improve access for UK whisky and cars to the Indian market, and cut taxes on India's clothing and footwear exports.

www.bbc.co.uk

From a man who's never stepped foot in a Primarni.

Yay more sports wear made by children just what the nation needs. In return we give them alcoholism.

 

[dirty harry]

Agreed. As a rule of thumb if any pundit/analyst or whatever is subscribing 100% blame to one side in this conflict and at the same time absolving the other side of any blame then you know they're not worth listening to even if they say things you agree with.

To rekindle our previous discussion, listen to historians on matters of history. Any half decent historian is going to provide context to a conflict/historical event(s) obviously these need to be backed up with what the historical records show and what the facts are as well (which more often than not you'll get consensus on amongst historians) but listen to the experts. I know Murray calls himself an expert in this and he's clearly knowledgable but he's not a historian and i wouldn't trust him. I've enjoyed listening to Benny Morris. Concedes both sides failures over the years but clearly has an extensive knowledge of the history and it seems well respected (though I saw him do a thing not so long ago where some people in the crowd called him racist or some ********)

I don't really know him very well, I think I saw him get questioned once on the war by the insufferable Mehdi Hasan. Seemed reasonable enough, despite the underhanded tactics and crowdd laughing and booing him lol.

Didn't he once say he'd rather be a racist than a bore lol?

 

[dirty harry]

From a man who's never stepped foot in a Primarni.

Yay more sports wear made by children just what the nation needs. In return we give them alcoholism.

Don't forget the frozen prawns...

I'd rather wear the prawns on my feet and eat the shoes tbh

 

[Welsh Exile]

I don't really know him very well, I think I saw him get questioned once on the war by the insufferable Mehdi Hasan. Seemed reasonable enough, despite the underhanded tactics and crowdd laughing and booing him lol.

Didn't he once say he'd rather be a racist than a bore lol?

I think that was the thing I was thinking of. Mehdi Hasan was incredibly bad faith in that whole discussion (if you can call it that)

I like him when he talks about Trump, though, he just clearly finds it hard to be objective about the Isreal Palestine thing probably due to his religion would be my guess.

I've not heard Benny Morris say that but I'm not an expert on him.

 

[AlRums]

Americans used to be steadfast in supporting Israel. No longer

To many, the close relationship between the US and Israel seems permanent and unshakeable.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

Where do we see the Carney - Trump meeting going today?

Explosive or convivial?

 

[Ddanno]

Where do we see the Carney - Trump meeting going today?

Explosive or convivial?

Carney has always come across as totally unflappable, he won't be paying any heed to Trump's bully boy tactics if that's the way he tries to play it (he will)

 

[McTallshort]

Where do we see the Carney - Trump meeting going today?

Explosive or convivial?

Trumps a pussy cat when people meet him face to face

 

[AlRums]

Trumps a pussy cat when people meet him face to face

Until he has Vincent and his pet reporters start "outrage"

 

[AlRums]

 

[Welsh Exile]

Trumps a pussy cat when people meet him face to face

The only time he wasn’t was when Zelenskyy visited the White House.

But that’s only coz he’s a Russian asset and was under orders.

 

[dirty harry]

I think that was the thing I was thinking of. Mehdi Hasan was incredibly bad faith in that whole discussion (if you can call it that)

I like him when he talks about Trump, though, he just clearly finds it hard to be objective about the Isreal Palestine thing probably due to his religion would be my guess.

I've not heard Benny Morris say that but I'm not an expert on him.

Yes I checked, it was him. In a class he's being screamed at by students, he calls them boring, they call him racist, it was a pretty good riff to be fair. The faux outrage after he says it is hilarious.

 

[dirty harry]

I couldn't make it beyond 30 seconds, that's super cringe worthy bootlicking from Carney

 

[Ddanno]

Ahh dammit I was sure it would be for historic noncery

Damn, another near miss

Savile supporter second in Banbury Hardwick local election vote

Stephen Hartley ran as a Reform UK candidate for Banbury Hardwick before being suspended.

www.bbc.co.uk