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Dammed if they do and if they don't. Merseyside Police were critised on review for how little information they released following Southport.
No they shouldn't have to release the information but they are not losing anything by doing so. It won't stop idiots from speculating and some half wits are already saying it's a cover up.
No they shouldn't have to release the information but they are not losing anything by doing so. It won't stop idiots from speculating and some half wits are already saying it's a cover up.
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you still dont answer how exactly that is a provocation other than just accepting russia's pre planned excuse to invade former USSA territories....how...exactly...does one country joining into a DEFENCE agreement....justify a completely different country attacking them....if they dont attack then its all moot
this is what i keep finding when people have tried to explain....they start talking half way through what i need, "if we accept all this BS....THEN....it makes sense".....no, lets go back to first principles, NATO is only a threat to russias expansionist intentions
i think its an apt comparison, 10s/100's of thousands of people are dying, maybe youre not taking things seriously enough
I get it, I'm not denying reality or anything, I just hate pandering to fuckwits and racists on general principle.
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The far right started riots over lies they spread to fill in the gaps in a police report for Stockport. Even now the information is given, they still either deny it or instead whine that this information wouldn't have been made available if they weren't a white male. There is no winning, the people are racists and will continue to make racist accusations every chance they get even if completely unrelated.
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BBC News - Israeli strike kills dozens sheltering in Gaza school, officials say
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Hits hospital - Hamas command centre
Hits school - Hamas command centre
Hits refugee area - Hamas command centre
Hits medics - Dangerous Hamas operatives
Hits women and children - Hamas using human shields
Hamas are evil but this stopped sounding credible ages ago. Israel just claim Hamas every time they kill people who clearly aren't Hamas and use it as a catch all to justify targeting all civilian infrastructure.
Israeli strike kills dozens sheltering in Gaza school, officials say
Children are among those who died in the attack, which Israel says targeted a Hamas command centre.
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Hits hospital - Hamas command centre
Hits school - Hamas command centre
Hits refugee area - Hamas command centre
Hits medics - Dangerous Hamas operatives
Hits women and children - Hamas using human shields
Hamas are evil but this stopped sounding credible ages ago. Israel just claim Hamas every time they kill people who clearly aren't Hamas and use it as a catch all to justify targeting all civilian infrastructure.
After Southport releasing the information was required regardless of background. Shame the whack jobs dont understand why. You guys riotted last time now you can't claim there's a conspiracy to withhold information.
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"you still dont answer how exactly that is a provocation other than just accepting russia's pre planned excuse to invade former USSA territories."
What? There are clear motives and excuses for provocation explained there. Just because you dent them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Let's really simplify it, breaking the agreement of the Warsaw Pact, running unplanned military manoeuvres in Ukraine, US interventions in Crimea, Georgia and then potentially Ukraine, all poking the bear.
But let's say all these things aren't any provocation whatsoever, Baker never mentioned the 'one inch eastward' in context of Russia, and NATOs expansion to basically surround Russia is propaganda.
Let's consider reasons other than this for Russia to feel it's security is under threat, and Putin to feel he's under threat.
On 26 March 2022, Biden, said “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”
Bidens actions since the were not one of peacemaker, but one of lacklustre. Trump has also played silly buggers. These actions confirm to me the US had no intention of stopping an invasion, and instead in at least part was happy to watch the situation unfold. The plan seems obvious, keep the war funded and ongoing, keep sanctions pressuring the Russian people until they revolt, and a Yeltsin like west sympathising leader is found.
Look at what some of the US backed NGOs are doing in the region, the constant call for the Russian aligned Assad to be replaced in Syria. Hellnin 2015 right after Putin warned of NATOs involvement in Ukraine the US responded by using the COA to train Ukraine troops in insurgency tactics.
Bit ultimately, from my POV, despite all this evidence of at very least a small provocation, it's the reactions of the US and NATO that lead me to believe provocation was not only there, but was intended.
I genuinely think Putin has fallen into a trap in Ukraine, using Crimea and Georgia as blue prints I thinknPutin took the bait, and is not in a downward slide to his own demise. Noone really wants this war to end, the best scenario for the west is to keep funding Ukraine to destabilise and drain Russian resources, keep the sanctions up, and enjoy the show.
"you still dont answer how exactly that is a provocation other than just accepting russia's pre planned excuse to invade former USSA territories."
What? There are clear motives and excuses for provocation explained there. Just because you dent them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Let's really simplify it, breaking the agreement of the Warsaw Pact, running unplanned military manoeuvres in Ukraine, US interventions in Crimea, Georgia and then potentially Ukraine, all poking the bear.
But let's say all these things aren't any provocation whatsoever, Baker never mentioned the 'one inch eastward' in context of Russia, and NATOs expansion to basically surround Russia is propaganda.
Let's consider reasons other than this for Russia to feel it's security is under threat, and Putin to feel he's under threat.
On 26 March 2022, Biden, said “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”
Bidens actions since the were not one of peacemaker, but one of lacklustre. Trump has also played silly buggers. These actions confirm to me the US had no intention of stopping an invasion, and instead in at least part was happy to watch the situation unfold. The plan seems obvious, keep the war funded and ongoing, keep sanctions pressuring the Russian people until they revolt, and a Yeltsin like west sympathising leader is found.
Look at what some of the US backed NGOs are doing in the region, the constant call for the Russian aligned Assad to be replaced in Syria. Hellnin 2015 right after Putin warned of NATOs involvement in Ukraine the US responded by using the COA to train Ukraine troops in insurgency tactics.
Bit ultimately, from my POV, despite all this evidence of at very least a small provocation, it's the reactions of the US and NATO that lead me to believe provocation was not only there, but was intended.
I genuinely think Putin has fallen into a trap in Ukraine, using Crimea and Georgia as blue prints I thinknPutin took the bait, and is not in a downward slide to his own demise. Noone really wants this war to end, the best scenario for the west is to keep funding Ukraine to destabilise and drain Russian resources, keep the sanctions up, and enjoy the show.
Without yet knowing the motive and that the police have ruled out terrorism. The main conclusion would be lone madman, the same as Southport.
It would be stupid to say it's political if there was no clear ideology regardless of skin colour.
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I’ve heard this one inch eastward quote before and there seems to be a lot of different things said about it. I’ve heard people saying it was referring to Germany only but at the end of the day it was never ratified in any agreement. If it’s not written down it’s not been agreed has it. Seems a bit silly to use this one single sentence said by one person years ago when said thing was never even agreed.
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Which is specifically why I only used it in a laundry list, and even offered to discount it, and many others in the list to still see if actions and reactions justified potential provocation.
I agree there are a number of interpretations, maybe it meant east Germany, and it's true that NATO have never agreed not to expand.
I'll reiterate though because this subject stands a few weeks, I don't think there's justification, I just think there is too much evidence of provocation, and as I just said I genuinely am starting to believe it was a trap for Putin to fall into
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Actually, ignore this comment, he's one of those people with 100% 'correct' political opinions
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I think the conclusion it was a lone madman isn't the issue, it's the conclusion that it ISN'T a lone madman when it's a non-white person and is representative of the entire group is the issue.
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Similar to Ragey, it's more the conclusions and reactions people and the media gave rather than the actual motive. I can guarantee that 50 year old white men are not going to get more abuse because of this. I can guarantee that after the initial reporting, his race will be barely mentioned.
Hence why I said people are stupid.
I think Ian is talking to perception more than police conclusion that is being mentioned here as others have said.
Honestly I'd rather not hear anything on race or motive until trial. But sadly some ***** will go burn down migrant center whilst people incite them on social media rather than allowing for due process.
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Society has to pamper for thick people. Bloody two tier policing!
How we can smash Britain’s two-party system for good at the next election | George Monbiot
Labour is beyond repair. Time for a co-ordinated strategy to support progressive parties committed to electoral reform, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
I agree with all of this - bar the fact that Führage would have a bigger seat at the table
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