A Political Thread pt. 2

[Kiwiwomble]

You missed the part about hurt ego, TACO and all that. But ye, strikes were mutli faceted. Interesting that every world leader agrees Iran shouldn't have nukes, but noone wants to be first.

i think largely because lots of people know there is a line/difference between believing it would be better for them not to have them, and attacking them to stop them developing them, should the UK or US have been attacked to stop them developing them? ive always understood thats why at least previously administrations had tried to come to agreements with Iran

 

[dirty harry]

i think largely because lots of people know there is a line/difference between believing it would be better for them not to have them, and attacking them to stop them developing them, should the UK or US have been attacked to stop them developing them? ive always understood thats why at least previously administrations had tried to come to agreements with Iran

Im not necessarily disagreeing, but in the west we have this tendency to view global politics in the paradigm of fair or right, and that's not correct. There is strong, and there are dangers to strong (hence why Nato exists).

If the world agrees Iran would be a genuine threat, as they state they want some countries gone, at what point do the strong have to intercede to stop an atrocity?

The IAEA just reported that Iran was developing weaponry, where's the line in the sand.

FTR I don't know the answer, I don't know if what Trump is doing will create peace, or chaos, I don't know if what he did was the right move, but we will see.

Edit: not sure your knowledge on US policy on Iran, but its all pretty aggressive, except for Obama, who apparently offered them carte blanch in the JCOPA for good will.

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/23/trump-obama-bush-biden-iran-nuclear-program

 

[dirty harry]

If Iran and Israel do stop firing, Trump's strikes may pay off

If the US president has helped to end the fighting it would mark a significant step back from the brink of a regional conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Christ on a bike, are the BBC applauding Trumps efforts to bring peace, they deemed him as a cool head, and praised his actions in 2020?!?!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Ceasefire lasted about 30s then

Israel agrees to deepen ‘close’ security cooperation with US – as it happened

This blog is now closed. Our live coverage continues here

www.theguardian.com

 

[ncurd]

Ceasefire lasted about 30s then

Israel agrees to deepen ‘close’ security cooperation with US – as it happened

This blog is now closed. Our live coverage continues here

www.theguardian.com

Entirely predictable

 

[McTallshort]

The IAEA just reported that Iran was developing weaponry, where's the line in the sand.

This goes back to a point I made earlier. The head of US intelligence said in March that Iran wasn't developing weaponry. So is the head of US intelligence either compromised, incompetent or actually right? Very worrying given we in the UK get lots of intelligence from America.

 

[ncurd]

This goes back to a point I made earlier. The head of US intelligence said in March that Iran wasn't developing weaponry. So is the head of US intelligence either compromised, incompetent or actually right? Very worrying given we in the UK get lots of intelligence from America.

Man if we had some history of saying people were developing weaponry and its turns out they weren't because some fringe intelligence told the story they wanted people might have cause to to be skeptical.

 

[Reiser99]

@dirty harry

**** you for laughing at my family being in danger. You are a disgusting human being and this is last time I will have anything to do with you. Personally, I think you should be banned for that. @TRF_Olyy

 

[Ddanno]

@dirty harry

**** you for laughing at my family being in danger. You are a disgusting human being and this is last time I will have anything to do with you. Personally, I think you should be banned for that. @TRF_Olyy

Amen to that. Enough of this troll.

 

[ncurd]

@dirty harry

**** you for laughing at my family being in danger. You are a disgusting human being and this is last time I will have anything to do with you. Personally, I think you should be banned for that. @TRF_Olyy

I feel for you, I have a colleague who's Iranian and she's visiting family there currently. I'm just hoping she is able to make it back here safe and sound along with her family being safe.

 

[ChicagoKid]

@dirty harry

**** you for laughing at my family being in danger. You are a disgusting human being and this is last time I will have anything to do with you. Personally, I think you should be banned for that. @TRF_Olyy

He didn’t laugh at your family in danger. He brought some levity to a tense situation and then wished you well.

Let’s all take a step back and breathe.

 

[ChicagoKid]

This goes back to a point I made earlier. The head of US intelligence said in March that Iran wasn't developing weaponry. So is the head of US intelligence either compromised, incompetent or actually right? Very worrying given we in the UK get lots of intelligence from America.

She's not the head of US intelligence. I have no idea where this idea keeps showing up. Her position wasn't created until 2004. It wasn't a cabinet level position until 2017.

Did America not have intelligence before that? The person who is closest to intelligence is the person who headed the the senate foreign relations and is now the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. Go listen to what he has to say.

 

[McTallshort]

She's not the head of US intelligence. I have no idea where this idea keeps showing up. Her position wasn't created until 2004. It wasn't a cabinet level position until 2017.

Did America not have intelligence before that? The person who is closest to intelligence is the person who headed the the senate foreign relations and is now the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. Go listen to what he has to say.

So what are her responsibilities and why would her intelligence be different from Rubios?

 

[ChicagoKid]

So what are her responsibilities and why would her intelligence be different from Rubios?

She’s a glorified people/project manager.

Because she doesn’t have access to both US and five eyes intelligence that Trump, Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, and the joint chiefs have. She’s not interacting with Mossad, the best intelligence agency in the world by a country mile these days.

 

[ncurd]

So what are her responsibilities and why would her intelligence be different from Rubios?

Whatever fits the MAGA agenda.

Or maybe
The position is required by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 to serve as executive head of the United States Intelligence Community (IC) and to direct and oversee the National Intelligence Program (NIP). All 18 IC agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), report directly to the DNI

Sound like someone who should be as well as informed as the Predisent or Secretary of State

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So what are her responsibilities and why would her intelligence be different from Rubios?

They would both sit on the national security council, which would advise the president and the executive on national security threats.

There is no reason to think the intelligence she had was different unless it was intentionally held from her.

 

[General Melchett]

My guess would be that the decision to strike Iran was only taken after she provided her update on Iran not being close to developing a nuclear weapon. Either that or someone forgot to or chose not to brief her on the official line that Iran was days away from developing a weapon that was started by Bibi and peddled by TACO.

If she was just a project/people manager then she should have been fired straight away for discussing classified information in front of cameras or she (or one of her aides) should have corrected herself within 24 hours.

Bibi has been saying Iran are close to a weapon for decades. I suspect she was telling the truth but TACO dismissed it because it didn't feed in to justifying dropping the bunker busters.

 

[dirty harry]

This goes back to a point I made earlier. The head of US intelligence said in March that Iran wasn't developing weaponry. So is the head of US intelligence either compromised, incompetent or actually right? Very worrying given we in the UK get lots of intelligence from America.

100% agree, end of 2024 IAEA say Iran is, Netanyahu has made the claim for 30 years, then Gabbard stated it wasnt in Marh, before Trump called her wrong....

Is it incompetence, comprimisation or strategy? Who knows!

 

[ncurd]

If she was just a project manager then she should have been fired straight away for discussing classified information in front of cameras or she (or one of her sides) should have corrected herself within 24 hours.

What's laughable about the comment is the idea any of these people aren't just people managers or project managers including the presidency. Sure they have more power to set policy or direction but they are just setting the targets, planning the resources that are available to them to meet those targets and then getting reports from their subordinates on that progress.

 

[Saintjay]

Americans and intelligence is the same sentence lolz.

Can't even recognise a warrior from a Bmp the tw@ts.