A Political Thread pt. 2

[General Melchett]

Ok, that's a different claim now.

But yeah, for sure, one of my criticism of this very incompetent Israeli government starts with the biggest act of incompetency, that October 7th was allowed to happen in the first place.

I wasn't making a different claim as a way of changing my story or position. I was trying to add some perspective because you seemed to want to talk about Egypt and overlook the fact that Netanyahu ignored the warning which arguably triggered this whole mess which was the crux of my original point.

 

[dirty harry]

Both Egypt and Jordan look at Palestinians as lesser as it is, both have Palestinians already, and they refuse any more.

The majority reason given by Egypt is population disruption, and Hamas fighter coming the Egypt and attacking Isreal from there bringing instability. Interesting.

The Arab world has abandoned their palestinian brothers also:

The Arab world has forsaken the Palestine cause

The Palestinians have lost their Arab allies amid Arab regimes’ increasing authoritarianism and dependence on the US.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Welsh Exile]

I wasn't making a different claim as a way of changing my story or position. I was trying to add some perspective because you seemed to want to talk about Egypt and overlook the fact that Netanyahu ignored the warning which arguably triggered this whole mess which was also part of my point.

Jesus, all I said in my initial post was:

“it solves the problem of Egypt and other countries not taking them”

That’s it. I wasn’t ascribing blame I just highlighted a problem and I’m sure you don’t deny it’s a problem so what the hell was your point.

 

[General Melchett]

Jesus, all I said in my initial post was:

"it solves the problem of Egypt and other countries not taking them"

That's it. I wasn't ascribing blame I just highlighted a problem and I'm sure you don't deny it's a problem so what the hell was your point.

I was adding context about Egypt's attempt to help Israel pre October 7th.

I'm drawing a line here as the game is starting.

 

[Which Tyler]

ETA: Disengaging

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Before I answer, you are aware that @LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) is laughing at the current state of play. Abhorrent isn't it mate.

Laughing at your ignorance

 

[Welsh Exile]

Laughing at your ignorance

Care to elaborate?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Israel can’t let the Palestinians have the West Bank which is internationally recognised why would they ever think about giving them a safe space inside Israel

 

[Welsh Exile]

Israel can't let the Palestinians have the West Bank which is internationally recognised why would they ever think about giving them a safe space inside Israel

First of all, I suggested something I would like to see happen. I didn't say it was likely to happen. Secondly, I didn't say that Israel should "give" them a space inside Isreal I said they should temporally move them somewhere in Israel and then move them back to Gaza once they've got rid of the rest of Hamas.

I don't see how any of this is ignorance. Maybe if I said it in a way that it should be a given or I couldn't believe it hasn't happened yet or something like that but I clearly didn't present it in that way. I was expecting someone as knowledgable as you to put me wrong on some facts but alas.

 

[Which Tyler]

Sounds like "temporary" ethnic cleansing TBH

 

[Bada-Bing!]

What is the difference between moving them somewhere in Israel and “give” them space inside Israel?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Sounds like "temporary" ethnic cleansing TBH

if we see Gazans permanently expelled from Gaza that will be ethnic cleansing and something I obviously would not support.

 

[Which Tyler]

if we see Gazans permanently expelled from Gaza that will be ethnic cleansing and something I obviously would not support.

Does that mean "yes"?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Does that mean "yes"?

Yes, they are moving Gazans around, as they have been doing for the last 2 years to prevent them from getting killed.

 

[Welsh Exile]

What is the difference between moving them somewhere in Israel and "give" them space inside Israel?

Maybe I’m being pedantic but to say “give” implies something more permanent where as saying move them inside somewhere in Israel implies something temporary.

 

[Welsh Exile]

@Which Tyler what would you rather they do, kill more civilians? I suppose your answer would be to stop the war and negotiate with Hamas?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I just don't see how in any world it is a good idea to keep people who have been killed and displaced in the very country that has committed war crimes on them

It's like locking the sheep in with the wolves

Why can't the Palestinians have a safe space in their own nation?

How many rockets has Hamas launched to Israel recently?

 

[Which Tyler]

Stop committing war crimes would absolutely be preferable.
Which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's read any of my posts on this subject in the last couple of years.

At least you've now admitted that they ARE committing war crimes, which is certainly something to applaud

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Maybe I'm being pedantic but to say "give" implies something more permanent where as saying move them inside somewhere in Israel implies something temporary.

Sure, but you haven’t said where else in Israel would be considered “safe” even temporarily. Israel is a small country hence why they’ve shoehorned Palestinians into Gaza, West Bank.

The only other place would be the Golan Heights. Is that even habitable?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Stop committing war crimes would absolutely be preferable.
Which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's read any of my posts on this subject in the last couple of years.

At least you've now admitted that they ARE committing war crimes, which is certainly something to applaud

I’ve said for a long time that I’m sure war crimes have been committed as there are war crimes in every single war in history.